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Fellows.

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What's going on? Yo yo. What's happening? You did a love machine. There's a full-on scandal in the NFL.

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Way to go.

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Alright.

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Did you will this in? Like we always do. Well, maybe Mike Vrabel's a love machine now.

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Well, we're gonna talk all about Mike Vrabel. Um before that, let's hear from um. We've got some clips of uh Miss Diana Mrs. Rossini. Diana Rossini. So this is a 2021.

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Diana, we want to give you one more chance to address this. It happened earlier in our program today. For those of you who weren't watching, Diana Rossini said this.

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And I think we all do weird things when we're in love. And we over share and over-post. And look, he's married, he's getting married to a beautiful actress. Um, I'm married to someone average. I don't post a lot about it. If I was married to someone beautiful, I don't remote.

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Diana's husband here for everyone to see so you can make some amends on national television.

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And you know what the worst part is? He sent me a text during that segment, not watching because he actually works for a living. And he said, Good luck today, be great.

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He's an Eagles fan. I'm Joyce. Well then fuck him. I'm asked there goes that marriage.

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We're average together, but he keeps me above average because he married me. So uh I am so sorry. I need to really stop killing my husband on television. I'm gonna be divorced.

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That was one, and it wasn't even it wasn't even the worst one. So Troy Mashir goes, Hold on, guys, hold on. I'm gonna go through all of them and then we'll we'll do a little we'll do a little reaction. Oh, there's lots. My favorite Sean McVeigh story is that one time two reporters got into a drunken fist fight outside a chain restaurant at then Redskins training camp because McVeigh was hooking up with both of them and neither knew it. Update. Apparently it was Britt McHenry and Diana Rossini, according to this blog pro the blog post from 2015.

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Was it outside the shake chat?

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Hey, I said, wait, guys, hold on. I'm getting to all the clips.

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You know who lets me know my marriage is falling apart, my mom. So that's good. Oh, does she? Oh, really? What did she say?

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What did she say to you?

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This is real. Are we doing this right now? Oh, yes.

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Yes, please do it.

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So I I said, Hey, thank you so much. Kev told me that you stopped by the house. You did the Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. He looks good. He looks really good. I go, yeah. I I was like, he doesn't seem as stressed this year. She's like, you know what? I'm starting to think he's got a girlfriend. And you know what? Good for him. What? He looks good, he's successful, his wife's never around. You love this football thing. That's why he looks good. I I I don't feel bad. I went right back out. I go, why would you say that to me right now while I'm on a trip?

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Right.

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That my husband has a girlfriend.

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Yeah.

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And ah, just keep pneumonia toes. You know? I don't need to be kicked on my toes. I need help.

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She likes you to be in the most vulnerable spot.

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I'm as far as you can be from New Jersey right now.

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Right.

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There's nothing I can do. Yes. And yet she's out here throwing things in my head. Right. Now I'm wondering. I'm like, uh, that one girl in his office is really pretty. Shoot. You're starting to think who, right? I'm gonna call later. That's naked of you.

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You're gonna start repairing it from here.

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Start laying the girl at work. You'll be like, hey, show me a picture of the stadium. It's just me.

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Naked.

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You call me right back. I don't want that.

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Who wants that? Nobody. I said I wanted the stadium.

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Hold on.

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He's in Miami, I haven't even told my husband.

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Have a super bowl.

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No, I did things in Miami, I haven't even told my husband because it's just I had that much fun. It was well, not like that, but like I knew he would judge he would judge the kind of partying I was doing. I don't know what got into me. I just remember being down there acting like it was my last day on earth.

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Next next tweet. Um, it was the clip uh the previous clip where she said that she was married, if she married someone average, uh or sorry, above average, she would post them all the time. Someone replied saying, You need a boyfriend, lol. And she said, I tell my husband that all the time. Also, her display picture on Twitter or X is her and Jerry Jones. I just want that to be on the record. Uh Diana wouldn't surprise me at all. How her marriage and her husband's an Eagles fan? Diana Roussini. Thank you. That's exactly what I said. I was like, her husband's an Eagles fan, and her profile picture is with Jerry Jones. January 27th, 2026. My husband doesn't text me, says Diana Roussini. It's a problem in our marriage, actually. And then there's more.

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I remember thinking like, because I think when men propose, that's their wedding day. Like, that's when you guys are all in. It's not really all in for us yet. I think for women, the actual wedding day is the moment. So I mean, Kev was all down for I was the one that was very skeptical. I was like, oh. And uh at the time I was working at ESPN, and I remember I was still working. And so the night before my wedding, I'm making calls, and I had a phone interview set up with Jimmy Garoppolo. Um, and I remember Jimmy was great. He made like a funny joke, like, hey, the night before your wedding, you sure you want to do this? And I'm thinking, like, of all the people in my life that I would have talked to the night before my wedding, the one guy my dad wanted me to, or my mom wanted me to marry was Jimmy Garoppolo. And he's calling me. Like, this is a sign. Uh I I, of course, did not marry Jimmy Garoppolo.

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GQ Jimmy. I'm gonna start referring to her as Love Machine Diana. Oh, here's one more.

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Here's one more. Hold on. Uh where is she? Oh, here she is with Mike Frabel.

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Serious conversation I think I've ever had. All right, well, this was the most serious conversation I think I've ever had with you in 10 years.

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Well, you started talking about things and now you're doing a coach speaking. I veer off in a coach speaker.

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No, no, it was a little coach speaking, but it's it's it's all fair. And and I I can see and I think people listening and watching you understand what you're what you're trying to build. So we we gotta have a little fun. So I figured we'd do 50 seconds for your 50th.

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50 seconds for my 50th.

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Right, there's no way you're gonna be able to do that.

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I don't think I'll be able to take 50 seconds.

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Um words are not our problems ever. In fact, I think we both probably talk a little too much, but we can do it. Start the clock. There's no clock.

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No, good. Like I'm looking for the clock.

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Just pretend. Just you probably have one naturally in your head, uh, you know, as a coach. Can I borrow your whistle?

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No. No, 50 seconds.

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I just for every time a new question.

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No one wants to say.

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That is nasty. Alright, well, this was the most serious conversation.

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I think I might have one more in the vault.

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Hey, Diana Rossini, thanks for saving the show.

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Uh I wanted to ask you if the 49ers are the best-looking team in the NFL.

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Oh, Eric, if my daughter could find anyone that looked like Jimmy Garoppolo, I would be the happiest mother. Every guy she brings in this house. He can't change a toilet, he can't cook, and he looks like a rat. Jimmy Garoppolo is the best looking guy in the NFL. She's always like, but Ma, it's Tom Brady. It ain't Tom Brady. It ain't Tom Brady. Give me Jimmy G Italians all the way.

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Holy fucking Jersey tour right there, man.

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Um This might be the craziest Italian bitch I've ever heard. Holy shit. Uh here's another one. Sorry.

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And obviously the bears don't think Mike Raples. I did things in Miami, I haven't even told my husband. Because it's just that much fun.

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It was stolen. Oh, wait, sorry. This is the this is the montage.

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No, I did things in Miami, I haven't even told my husband.

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I may I compiled them all into a montage. Oh my gosh. No, no, this is the actual montage. Sorry. I apologize to our listeners who are going to call me a domestic terrorist after they listen to this. But here, this will be the final Italian stallion Rossini clip.

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She ain't no stallion.

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This is no, no, she is stallion, Matthew. You think this rables her first rodeo? Oh, this she is she is she a stallion. She a thoroughbred. You guys should be proud of her. Her and Couchi sounds fucking insane. This bitch needs to shut the fuck up. Who are the major Italian personalities in the NFL? Actually, we've heard enough of fucking Rossini. Shut up, Rossini. We're going back to who are the major Italian personalities in the NFL?

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The ones that come to mind. You have Tommy DeVito. Okay. You've got maybe Big Dom's probably up there. Number one. Yeah, Big Dom. He's a big personality.

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It's Big Dom and her.

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Big Dom, Tommy DeVito, her, Tommy DeVito's agent. The guy's showing up in the suits.

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Yeah, but Tommy, nobody cares about Tommy DeVito that much. He's it was a good time.

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Well, now this lady's probably number one.

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She. I don't know how she is either going to make so much money off of this. Or she will be like. She's got two ways to go about this. She could either go down the path of like remorse and be like, we're trying to fix my marriage. And we're so sorry. And oh no, I'm so you know, disgraceful. Or she go the complete other way. And she could just be like, Yep, that was me. Aho.

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But then she's admitting something's going on because every right now they're both saying there was nothing going on. So wow. I mean, if she all of a sudden says that, then Mike Brabel's fucked.

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This is a bad track record, though, man. Oh, it is. Oh, absolutely. Terrible track record.

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This is a lot of those female reporters do that kind of stuff for all the allegations from the lovely. We're gonna fucking cancel. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, meaning I wanted you on the podcast.

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Jason Brown doesn't want me working anymore.

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I'm sorry. Oh my god, that's over. Any single hey, we got an interview scheduled tomorrow with a female. Yeah.

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Know it shut the fuck down.

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KK just from the top rope, just absolutely shit on all females in the NFL.

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Not all. Some do.

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Oh, well that's what the first time. Jeez, Louise. Okay. We gotta steer this guy away from this topic. I feel like we gotta reel him away from the KK. What type of woman do you want to meet in Pittsburgh? You're a single man. What type of woman do you want to meet? Like, what's your ideal woman?

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One that puts on an Italian accent.

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Yeah, why not why not love machine diana?

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You gotta go through Mike's. You gotta go through Mike Vrabel, though.

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No, it's fine. I think she's for the streets. I think she's for the streets. I think we can get her done. You think she works on the streets? No, I think she's for the streets. For the streets? For the streets. She might be working for the streets, depending on how this stuff is going. But I think she's for the streets. I think I think eligible man KK, we can make it happen. Okay, wait. Would you rather have Joy Taylor or uh Diana Rossini? Hold on, let me show you the milk test.

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Yeah, I was gonna say that.

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Hold on. Let me show you the calcium goods here before you go all crazy and decide the shit on the woman race. Hold on.

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Joy Taylor is um she probably she's Italian though, she might kick my ass.

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But Joy Taylor is like exotic looking. She she she would she her and KK would would be would be a duo. That would be a couple. Look, she's even wearing Detroit Lions blue. Yeah.

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Oh, there you go.

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Yeah. Yeah. KK's gonna have a little mini KK running around fucking the streets of Battery. Diana Rossini looks like a wholesome Italian here. She looks she looks like she just she learned how to make sauce from her her mom.

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And then that's like her innocent picture.

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That is her innocent picture. Yeah. Here's her holding a ball. It's a football ball. Just one. Just one. Just one ball. Um, okay. Having watched The Sopranos, let me tell you, she's fucked one too many mob bosses in her life growing up. Like, I bet you her high school boyfriend is in jail. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He definitely got caught doing the wrong thing at the wrong time. Hey, what a he was a great guy. What was the guy saying? Like, uh, what mod?

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Like that kind of like I'm I'm still wondering who this bug is at a level of.

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Oh, it's either Mr. Rossini or it's Mrs. Vrabel.

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Yeah. No one can get into that resort. Could be the Buffalo Bills. What if it's AJ Brown?

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No, that would. I don't think AJ works that side. No, I I think it's either.

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Apparently, whoever taking the whoever pick up the photos was shopping at the TMZ for four figures. Yeah. Peace, Louise. Jeez Louise.

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It could be Big Dom. Hey, you're a real.

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You'd kind of know if Big Dom was around if you fucking just like hide behind a bush. Hey, you don't fucking see me.

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Damn though. That's like crazy. On an actual serious note, though, like that is really unfortunate if she is out there floundering herself because that doesn't ruin just the credibility for her. It ruins it for so many talented reporters and analysts and people that are working right now in the sport, and not just in football, in any sport that are woman, because everybody starts to be like, Well, how'd you fucking get that scoop?

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And like initially, after all that, I thought it was like an innocent little fling. Yeah, great, great recovery. Great recovery. Great recovery. Oh, the machine has but then all these clips come out and you're like, okay, maybe we're just yeah.

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No, I think it really I think people would have given her the benefit of the doubt if she hadn't been shitting on her husband for the last one. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what it was. Listen, Eagles fans. I'm not gonna say it. But if there's something with this woman and Michael Irvin, I support it.

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I support if she showed she just stumbled out of the white house. I think I think stumbled out of the White House.

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I think every cowboy, former alumni, and current player should be hitting up Dan and Racini in the in the inbox. We should avenge Jerry. Also, her profile picture is Jerry. I on Twitter.

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Your husband's an Eagles fan, and you're fucking Jerry. I probably went down because you know Jerry's gonna fucking Hey hey, come on now. Jerry's clean.

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Jerry's clean.

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Jerry's clean. That's why he's gonna illegitimate.

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No, he doesn't. Not on this podcast. Now we're now we're now we're gonna. You don't know about that? You don't know about this? Oh fuck the public inform me.

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I don't know. Okay, so Jerry Jones. Um I'm still dealing with the Mike Tomlin drama.

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No, he had like a whole like um some woman was suit like this girl was suing him, and in 2024 he settled a contract suit that like this girl was claiming that like um she's 27 at the time, and there was a confidentially confidentiality confidentiality agreement signed in 1998 when she was two years old. And Jerry had sued her because uh she obviously broke that and came out to the public light being like, I'm his daughter, I'm entitled to all this dah. And then uh Jones has uh conc consistently denied he is the father and has repeatedly refused to take any paternity test. Um he had an affair with Cynthia Davis Spencer almost 30 years ago, that is the mom. Um and then Jones sued her for$1.6 million in attorney fees. Um but yeah, apparently, under the settlement that he had, he paid the girl and her mom millions of dollars over three decades in exchange for their pledge not to identify Jones as the father or sue him. Um but then Jones says the settlement was breached when Davis first sued him in Dallas County in 2022, seeking out of the agreement and obviously realizing, hey, I'm getting like a check for a hundred K or 200k a year when I should be getting half a billion dollars.

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Something like that.

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Like um, but yeah, so yeah, he did that. That was the thing. So yeah, but yeah, what goes on on the Jones yacht, I will not speak about. I mean I I Jerry and I, good pals, I don't want to get in his business. He's a good man. Uh, just want to be invited on the yacht one day. That's all I'm asking. Just want to hang out with Jerry. Uh, speaking of guys who I want to hang out with, uh, John Greuden. All right, fellas, we're gonna dive into this episode. Um, this is gonna be a big, big game episode here. So Dane Brugler, Athletic, came out with the Beast. How was it, KK?

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That was awesome.

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Yeah, so the beast comes out every year. Uh, it is a must read if you are looking into the NFL draft, looking into prospects that may be drafted, etc. etc. What we're gonna do over the next, we're headed to Pittsburgh. So we do not have a lot of time here before the draft. We're gonna drop as much content as we can for you guys. You guys are gonna hear from us, you guys are gonna hear from guests, you guys are gonna hear from all sorts of different people. In that meantime, what we're gonna do is each episode that we record, we are going to try to cover a position. Today we're covering uh quarterbacks and running backs. Next, we're gonna cover wide receivers and tight ends. Now, I initially was just gonna dive into the prospects, but then I saw this article also on the athletic. Um it's by Zach Kiefer. It takes a look inside John Gruden's second stint with the Raiders, and it's I thought it was gonna be bad. I think it's way worse than what I could have possibly imagined. Okay, I'm gonna dive into it. Context. Al Davis died in 2011. Uh, how great was Al Davis, KK? Explain to me the greatness of Al Davis. Al Davis was a legend. Why? Like, what about Al Davis?

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Were you like, holy fuck, this guy is he went at he went at it with the NFL. NFL just hated him. Well, why did he go? Like, tell me the back like obviously tell the backstory a little. Everything he did. He was like the OG, and then now it's Jerry Jones. Now it's Jerry. He wanted a two the NFL wanted him to put two teams in the Hollywood and build a new stadium. Okay. He said no. He only wanted one for the Raiders.

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What a G.

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What a G.

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Uh, so he died in 2011. And that meant his son Mark, the guy that looks like a little chipmunk. Fucking bull haircut. His he takes over the Raiders. And essentially from day one, Mark's obsessed with bringing John Gruden back. Uh, the coach who turned the Raiders into contenders in the late 90s before being traded to Tampa Bay, where he then beat the Raiders in the Super Bowl with their own playbook. Uh Mark Davis made 15 15 cross-country flights to Tampa over six years to woo uh Gruden. He had a favorite hotel. And this is where I get confused. He had a favorite hotel in the city. He also had a favorite laundromat. Why was he? Isn't he a billionaire?

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Wait, Mark Davis had a favorite laundromat? Yeah. Or John Gruden? No, no. Mark Davis? Mark Davis had one. If you're staying at a hotel, why wouldn't you just fucking tell your hotel to fucking do your laundry for you?

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Maybe it was like a hotel with no laundry service from like back in the day.

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No, but where a billion where a fucking billionaire is staying? I don't fucking think. Even if they didn't, maybe if you're the fucking billionaire, you fucking tell someone I need shit clean. You fucking go take it.

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Why the fuck if Why was he going to a laundromat? And it was not a famous word for a massage dog.

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It's gotta be. It gotta be. It's gotta be. It's half massage parlor. It has to be the laundromat. You go and you open one of the you go to a laundromat that no one fucking goes to. You open one of the fucking front-facing doors, and instead of the door open, it's the fucking like opens up the back room into a speakease.

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Yeah, and it's just hello Mark, nice to see you. That was fucking terrible. Sorry. I tried to not make it so racist, but it didn't happen.

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I think it came out worse.

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It was bad. That's terrible. Uh so very, yeah. So he called Gruden in the middle of the night. He called him right before kickoffs at the time Gruden was doing TV. Uh, one raider staffer even caught the two of them in a hotel elevator the night before a game that Gruden was calling on ESPN the next day. So when Gruden finally said yes, because obviously when you're getting fucking pounced on like that, eventually you give in and you say yes. Davis gave him a 10-year,$100 million contract that was unprecedented at the time for head coach and called it the biggest day of his life. This is a big effing deal, he said at a press conference. Okay. Was Mark Davis? I I'm gonna pause throughout, ask you guys some questions. I want to hear some like reasoning here. Was Mark Davis just a desperate fan with a checkbook, or is was the Gruden hire understandable at that point when he made it?

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He wanted to bring back a legendary coach back to the Raiders and John Gruden?

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I just think yeah, because when it was his dad's team, I don't think Mark Newton know still doesn't know. I don't think he knows a lick a floor. That's what I mean. I probably knew so he went on, right? And you know, people they scream for nostalgia. And I mean John Grun is a fucking raider through and through. So you probably but ten years, hundred million dollars. Like, are you Fucking kidding me.

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But at the show, it's like that's where he likes to spend his money. He likes to save at the hotels and he likes to go to the laundromat.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Yep. But he's also trying to like live up to like his dad's name, right? Yeah. You were saying his dad was the OG grade. That was the OG. So he's just he's trying to put all the money he can, all the chips in. He's going all in on this, trying to make a big splash, but I don't know. It was kind of a waste. Like, I don't really do anything.

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I think it's definitely more desperate fan with a checkbook than oh, absolutely.

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Like at the time, like I didn't hate it. Like I understood it. Yeah. But at the same time, it was still like, yeah, 10 years, 100 million dollars. Like, that's fucking crazy. But I mean, it it's not Mark's money, it's his dad's money.

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And I know there's a lot of his dad's dead.

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He's probably looking at that as his Uncle John. I need to bring him back and exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 22:50

Because he probably grew up like with him being a big part about his childhood. Yeah. So, like, obviously, like you're listening to this right now, and we got a lot of young cats listen. A lot of gen Z listen to us. We got so we're big on the TikTok and big on the Instagram. You don't follow us right now, hit us up. Red Zone Blitz Pod, all the socials. If you're a young cat right now, you probably you know what? You see the Raiders logo. Yeah, that's a cool logo. They play in Las Vegas. Big whoop. Like, that was a brand. Up until very recently, that was a brand that was as synonymous with football as the Cowboys are synonymous with football.

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Not even just football, man, like street culture and everything.

SPEAKER_04 23:30

Well, if you if you're the opposition, you didn't want to go to the Raiders home to watch.

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You did not fucking go to.

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So this is what I wanted to get to. Like, I want to pause away from the story a bit and get your guys' take. Like, I need you guys, and me and Matthew, not to age you two, are probably slightly younger. We probably didn't see the 90s era of the Raiders. Now, what was it like? Do you think like I want you to do your best? Describe to me what was like Oakland like watching like from a distance.

SPEAKER_04 24:03

Oakland's still a scary city to go to. Have you been there? No.

SPEAKER_03 24:06

No, but it's just okay. No one couldn't catch me there. No, but what was what was Oakland hosting Raiders games like? What was what was it called? The black hole? The black hole. And then what was their fan base called? Like they were called something. There was a name for them. I can't remember now, but like they're crazy people that dressed up all in like Raiders, like face paint and everything like that. They had a name.

SPEAKER_01 24:29

I just there was some Mexican name too.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

But you also got realized and uh NWA was that because of the Raiders.

SPEAKER_03 24:36

Yeah, that's another thing. You see a huge pop there.

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Now I was scared to wear my Raiders jacket as a kid.

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Why was why was Black Hole? Why were you scared?

SPEAKER_04 24:44

You're gonna get jumped. Well, that was the that was the thing jumped.

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So obviously, NFL and teams didn't have licensing like they do now. You can't find every fucking team. Like growing up in the 90s, if you had basketball, every single person either had a Chicago Bulls or fucking Charlotte Hornets. Yeah, no one liked the Charlotte Hornets. You couldn't name a player on the Charlotte Hornets, but you had the starters. You had the starter Charlotte Hornets. Football. You had Raiders shit everywhere. But yeah, if you weren't a Raiders fan or you're a casual, you didn't fucking wear it on public because you're gonna get pressed. Yeah, it was just the by fans and not by fans. And if like fans will come up to you and they'll be like, oh raider, who's your favorite raider? And if you just said, Oh, you're fucking casual, take that shit off.

SPEAKER_04 25:31

Back then, Raider Jacket was more not the Raiders, it was N NWA.

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That's what I mean. It was more street culture, yeah. And the same thing. If you saw just someone that didn't like the fucking Raiders, they'd press on you to take that shit off, or they or they'd fucking jacket from you. Like it was just shit you did not wear out in public, and that was one of them.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

What do you think the games were like? Like, well, how would you describe like right now? Like, obviously, like games are all done in like high security domes. You got big, massive, like there's a lot of separation from the fans to the field, and what everything I've read, everything I've watched on television, and you scouting you like back when I was trying to scout you to be on this podcast when they're a deep dive on your Facebook. You were close friends with someone that's a massive Raiders fan, yeah. Like, what do you think? Like, a that fan base feels like being a Raiders fan, like the true died. I'm talking about like the true diehards, and B, like what do you think that atmosphere was like when you went down to Oakland and like how what made it so different than all the other stadiums?

SPEAKER_05 26:29

Oh, it was a cult, and it's it was just dangerous, like because you get that mob mentality, and especially when it's like Raiders fans' mob mentality. Like, if you're an opposing fan, you didn't fucking go there because you were getting jumped. But that that went to pretty much every team back then.

SPEAKER_04 26:44

Is you didn't players didn't want to fucking go there if you were your bosses had to be escorted.

SPEAKER_05 26:49

Like, I know now they do the you know, every every boss is they're all but back then, man, people used to go people used to get murdered, go on the time parking lots, like fuck, man.

SPEAKER_03 26:59

It was a bad place, and it's Oakland, it was a Coliseum, like it was fucking and the thing about like the thing about their move to Vegas, and I'm and you know what props to them for making it a spectacle and making it a tourist attraction. Can't wait for the cowboys to play their one year so I can go down and pay overpriced tickets to watch them win. Um, the thing about now versus then is like you look at and it might have changed now, but you look at the fan base, and I like people always compare the Cowboys with the 49ers. The 49ers, listen, a lot of fans. Lots of 49ers fans. I've met tons of people out here on the West Coast, up north in Canada, they're fucking insufferable, they're just a bunch of idiots. But they're soft. Yeah, Rams fans, they love fighting in the stands, but like they're actually kind of soft. Like when I looked at actual like old clips of what those tailgates in Oakland look like, what those parking lots look like, it looked like you were either a contender on the street or a pretender on the street. And if you were a contender on the street and you knew how to fucking fight, you were a Raiders fan.

SPEAKER_04 28:10

If you were But even Raiders fans, uh Raiders fans would fight each other, man. But a lot of them, a lot of them that lived in Oakland, they hated when the team went to LA. Of course, and vice versa. Of course. LA Raider fans, they hated when the team got moved to Oakland. Yeah, because then they gotta travel to the team.

SPEAKER_05 28:26

You can even say that now. Like, I I've got buddies in Vegas. No locals in Vegas are Raiders fans. None of them. Like, obviously, there's gonna be Vegas, Vegas residents that that are, but like all my friends and shit, they fucking they fucking hate that the Raiders are in Vegas. That's why they say the culture's changed, right? They don't like the team. Yeah, because they don't want to there.

SPEAKER_01 28:47

You're gonna get young fans now that the Raiders just got there, that they're gonna be fans, but the the old heads that were in Vegas for years. They've already they're all transplants, they've already got there.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

The problem with doing expansion or going into another city being an NFL team is NFL is not a new sport. This shit has been going on for decades, generations. People have lead allegiances with their grandparents and like the who they cheered for, their dad cheered. Like, my kid is not cheering for the fucking Eagles. It's just own in on the spot.

SPEAKER_04 29:24

But you even look at LA Rams fans, but that's what they're also from St. Louis, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 29:28

It's like you look at it and like you can think about okay, like I'm gonna go and I'm gonna plop a team in which team, which city doesn't have one right now. Uh I don't know what what's a city that doesn't have an NFL team. Salt Lake City. Okay, I'm gonna plop a team in Salt Lake City, right? Everybody that's in Salt Lake City already, that's residing there, already has an NFL team. They that has come down from generations. It's a family thing. It's one thing if they was like, okay, I'm gonna plop the Seattle Kraken in Seattle. Cool. People in Seattle probably don't have an allegiance because the sport is so new that they're like, I don't really care too much, but here this is fun. And don't get me wrong, I'm sure expansion would work. But my theory is is like the Vegas thing, it didn't matter which team went to Vegas, it was gonna be a hit to the point the Raiders are ahead. And it did not fucking matter, they didn't need to move the fucking Raiders. They moved the Raiders because A, nobody wanted to fucking go to Oakland, they didn't want to build a new stadium, they were like the the NFL hated the Davis family from fucking years and years before. That's why they chose the Raiders. The Raiders deserve and will always deserve to be in Oakland. Absolutely, always be there's no if and or but about it. The team that should have moved to Las Vegas should have been the Chargers. It should have been the Chargers, should have.

SPEAKER_04 30:51

The Chargers shouldn't have gone back to San Diego.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

Well, that's my cue now is like there's no point of having the Chargers in LA.

SPEAKER_01 30:59

There's you don't need two teams in LA.

SPEAKER_03 31:01

Yeah, like the Rams are enough, and even like give St. Louis.

SPEAKER_04 31:05

NFL has always wanted two teams in LA. Well, and they finally got it. They've they've always wanted it, but I don't know. Well at the end of the day you gotta realize NFL is still a business.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

But how much more do you think are they making? Like, are the chargers this big draw?

SPEAKER_01 31:21

No, I don't know. They gotta play crowd noise at the hire the Asian lady to be like, yeah, they had to take fucking uh what's his face?

SPEAKER_03 31:30

Al Davis' laundromat lady, or Mark Davis is a laundromat lady, and they plucked her into the crowd and like implanted her as like a fake, like a crowd favorite. Whatever. Well, well, the very good. I like it. I like I like the takes. I like the takes. Now wait till you hear the next part. So back to Gruden. Gruden gets hired, he comes in with total authority. Almost immediately, people inside the building start seeing red flags. So the scouting staff would spend months evaluating a prospect. You think our last like I've been having dreams about NFL prospects. Like, I've been like just day and night, we're studying them all the time to do our episodes. We're like listening to them.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

Who are you dreaming of to be a cowboy?

SPEAKER_03 32:08

It wasn't a cowboy. I was just it was just um uh I was dreaming about Jeremiah Love really screwing up his interview enough that he went down to 12 and went to the cowboys and then Jerry galaxy brained it and took Akeem Esador instead of Jeremiah Love, and then he ran all over us every single year. It was not a very good dreamer. Did you start crying?

SPEAKER_05 32:26

Let's let's not will that shit in.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

No, I have very we have this. Let's not will that this podcast has power. If there is Jeremiah Love on the board, we take Jeremiah Love. Uh, so anyway, so the scouts in uh in Las Vegas or at the time Oakland would spend months evaluating a prospect. They would do film study, combine, pro days, everything. Gruden would come in and he'd kill the whole thing. And you know how he'd do it? He'd do a thing called kill tapes. So what he would do is he would pick short cut-ups the player's worst snaps. Think about it. You're a player, obviously, you play so many fucking snaps throughout the year, you're bound to have one or two bad ones. He would make those, he would make a cut-up, a montage of the worst snaps, and then he'd show them to the room to end the conversation. They could be like, Hey, this player's so great. Look at everything, all the greatness he's done. And he'd be like, Well, actually, here you go. Here's 30 seconds. Go watch that. Uh, one source said you can make Tom Brady look like a bum with his kill tapes. And then there's the veteran obsession. Grudin apparently loved players who were all pros eight years ago and were on their way out. If a guy had a big name or once had a big game against Gruden, he wanted him. The staff would joke that whenever a washed up vet hit the transaction wire, Mayoch, who was the GM at the time, was about to get a call. Oh, and we'll talk about Mayoch here. Gruden's first GM, Reggie McKenzie, was gone within a year. He was replaced by Mike Mayoch, a TV analyst who had never worked a day in the NFL front office. One source put it bluntly when an established coach brings in a first-time GM, it's because he wants to run the building himself and needs someone who won't say no.

SPEAKER_04 34:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:04

Now, my question for you guys is how much does that GM dynamic matter? And is it a red flag when a coach, like Gruden did here, handpicks his own GM, or does it like not matter as much?

SPEAKER_05 34:17

Oh no, he picked, he handpicked him for that exact reason. I don't think he did it. Exact fucking reason. This guy doesn't know what the fuck he's doing. I'm fucking John Gruden. He's gonna look at me and be like, that's John Gruden. I'm gonna listen to what the fuck he has to say because I don't know shit. He knows shit. So, John Gruden, you tell me what to do, I'll fucking do it.

SPEAKER_04 34:36

And he did what he wanted to do. He went out and got players he liked because he's old school.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Yeah, if you're somebody who has like scouts in the room and you just put a kill tape out there just to knock the prospect, you definitely you definitely want to be comparing him a little bit to Mike McCarthy right now because he's a veteran coach.

SPEAKER_04 34:53

Oh, geez. Oh geez, I see that as a bad hire because he's gonna start bringing guys like Aaron Rodgers that he wants rather than going a different road and hiring a young coach, the new mentality.

SPEAKER_03 35:06

So I'll tell you this. I'll I'll tell I'll I'll be very nice to Steelers fans because they've been very nice to us in our DMs for the last fucking three days. I'm gonna be very, very candid with and we have one on the podcast, by the way. So I'm gonna be very candid to all of you guys. You guys are gonna suck for a while now. This is not gonna get better. This is gonna cost Omar Khan his job. And maybe for rightfully so for the right reason. Because this is gonna get really, really bad. And you hired Mike McCarthy and we made it a joke. We literally made it, it was a meme, we played it out there, it blew up. People were like, you guys are fucking smoking crack, why would they hire a fucking dad? There was a guy who said something along the lines of what kind of crack y'all be smoking, because mine just ran out. I opened his profile and the man was smoking crack on his profile. If the crackhead on Instagram in our fucking DMs knows better than to hire Mike McCarthy and the fucking Pittsburgh Steelers, who the fucking loop who the fuck are your own who the fuck are the owners of the Steelers? It was the Rooney family? Yeah, Rooney's y'all fucking gotta be embarrassed of yourselves.

SPEAKER_05 36:26

Getting called out by a crackhead.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

You're getting called out by a crackhead. You're hey a crackhead outsmarted you. Like fuck Omar Khan fucking it must be Ramadan up in there because you must were not eating when you made this decision. So that happened. And then also, you guys are dead last in the NFL PA pools. Or the polls, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 36:48

No, they upgraded seats. They upgraded their seats.

SPEAKER_03 36:51

The fuck the seats, the players hate playing there. I'm like, I've been very nice to you guys, but all of a sudden, Steelers fans want to come and write some nasty shit to us. When we give you guys a platform, nobody gives a fuck about you guys.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

Hey, whoa, whoa. Nobody cares about the Steelers. Hey, at least we make the fucking playoffs. And do what? Doesn't matter. At least we get the game. You do the same thing the Cowboys do.

SPEAKER_05 37:13

Playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

Playoffs. Playoffs. Motherfuckers just want to win a game. Cowboys fans are playoffs.

SPEAKER_04 37:22

The Steelers were going in the right direction two years ago.

SPEAKER_01 37:25

One month playoff win. That's right. 27. Yeah, you make the playoffs. But do you win? No. Hey, at least we win. The Steelers just like to be a 500 team.

SPEAKER_03 37:36

Listen, I'm gonna tell I'm gonna say I'm gonna say this very nice. And this just goes to all fan bases. This goes to every single fan base that comes. And like a bunch of my cousins, relatives, friends, whatever. They love doing this. What do the cowboys do? You just did it. It's very natural. It's very, very natural. It's very natural to be like, but when you attack us, no, no, it's very natural. Listen, listen, it's very natural. But I'm here to tell you don't aspire to be the cowboys. Oh, yeah. Aspire to be better.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

Yeah, yeah. We shouldn't steer to your level. We have red freedom. We don't done shit.

SPEAKER_03 38:10

Don't try to be like, what have the cowboys done? Because trust me, we all know they haven't done shit. 30 years, they have not done a single thing.

SPEAKER_05 38:17

We want a game more recent, a playoff game more recently than the fucking Steelers did.

SPEAKER_03 38:20

Retired Brady. Uh, but the thing is, I get it. I get it. Listen, I understand. I understand you're all frustrated. We're gonna be in Pittsburgh. I can't wait to fucking talk to some Pittsburgh Steelers fans. But if you're gonna come in, they're not gonna like you. But if you're gonna come in RDMs, if you're gonna I don't actually, I think they would because I don't know. I'm the guy that kind of told them that this is a fucking disaster. This would be so funny if it happened, and then they went out and did it. They got the problem with the wrong brown guy. Is Omar Khan brown? Because they got a problem with the wrong one. It ain't me. It's Omar Khan they gotta have a problem with. This guy just said it how it is. But now, what I will preface is Steelers conversation. I mean, listen, Raiders fans must hate us. We have interrupted their little article so many times. But what I will say is, if you're gonna come in our fucking DMs and bitch and complain about how we're too fucking hard on the Steelers or we're not hard enough on the Steelers. Hey, hey, here's one. Go get a quarterback. Go figure out your QB1 room first.

SPEAKER_04 39:19

The Cleveland Browns have five of them.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

Cleveland Browns have it more figured out than the Steelers do. They at least have options to play with. They can be like, oh, I don't want so-and-so. I got Deshaun Watson, I got Shadour Sanders, I got Dylan Gabriel, I might draft Ty Simpson. Who knows? Figure out your quarterback room. I don't want to hear nothing. I want a zip from the Steelers fans until until y'all can come and tell me who your QB1 is. Tell me who your QB is. Is it Will Howard?

SPEAKER_01 39:46

You wait. Well, you wait. I think it's gonna be Will Howard. Fuck man, that'd be hilarious. Steelers have 12 draft picks, the most at any team. You wait. They're gonna make a splash. They're gonna draft quarterbacks. No, no tryouts. No, not the Browns. We're not poverty.

SPEAKER_04 40:03

You're getting there. You're right there. You might be there at the end of this season. Spoken by a Raiders. Hey, hold on.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

If you're finally gonna understand what a losing season feels like, it's not gonna be fun.

SPEAKER_04 40:14

I've said it before. I think the Browns are gonna be ahead of the Steelers in the settings by the end of the season.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

Can we make a bet? Can we make a bet? Is there a bet? Is there a bet to this? I'd love to get in on this. What are we betting? I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 40:26

The Browns are gonna finish ahead of the Steelers. Yeah, what's what's the bet here? What is the bet?

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Oh, okay. So the bet is is um okay, in honor of Deshaun Watson. Um if uh the Steelers are ahead of the Browns, you can pay for his massage. And if the Browns are ahead of the Steelers, you can pay for KK massage. Sure, sure. I'll make that bet. All right. Do they get a happy ending? That is a TBD. That is that is depending on call up Robert Kraft. That is dependent on which uh laundromat we'll go to the laundromat.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

It'll depend on which laundromat is available at the time. But hey, there it is. There's the bet. Oh, the love machine laundromat. You could just make your own business. Oh, is that we can do Diana Martini as the the front desk lady.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

Dude, we can make the I get to meet her in Pittsburgh to discuss this now.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Okay, I'm gonna take that away. That is a merch idea. Love machine laundromat. It's just a machine with a bunch of condoms coming out of it. It's just it's like you know how they have like bubbles coming out of the washing machine, it's just condoms flowing out of the washing machine. It'd be fucking fantastic. Um, also, my father-in-law might be listening now. He someone shared him the link of my podcast. Oh, that's nice. If he's listening to this degeneracy, I'll let you know. Hey, shout out to Regina. Shout out, shout out, Regina. Um, all right, Khalil Mack. Who is this Roussini? Yeah, yeah. He's like, who the fuck is Roussini? What's a milk test? Why? What's a love machine? Um, Khalil Mack. Okay, so this is probably the part where I'm almost like, okay.

SPEAKER_05 42:01

And back to our regular program.

SPEAKER_03 42:03

Back to back to where we're belonging. Uh, this is where it gets genuinely painful if you're a Raiders fan. Sorry, sorry to the. King is not a Raiders fan. First of all, he's a Raiders fan and a lot of things. No, Raiders fan.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

One or the other. You gotta pick one or the other. No, King is definitely I'm a fan of the many team.

SPEAKER_05 42:21

KK. King is like the fucking Asian lady. Just give me the jersey and I'll go to the fucking game and chip for that team.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

I probably would. He probably would. KK, listen, you can't be Diana. You have to pick one or the other. It's multiple teams. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_03 42:38

You can't don't have to be monogamous with the NFL, KK. Fuck as many bitches as you want to. It has to be Drabel or the average husband. I like how I like how KK when I said fuck as many bitches as you want. He got picked up the kill. Horny hours on the lions are.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

Lions are raiders.

SPEAKER_03 42:57

It all depends on how the lions do. If the lions start shitting the bed, K. K is back to the Raiders. No, okay. The Cowboys will open you, welcome you with open arms. You have all just we got nice for you right here. Don't worry. Anytime. Anytime you want to join. Well, that's the thing. The moment the Cowboys 90s. You remember that. The old boy. Oh, there's gonna be a lot of cowboys fans. I can't wait. I can't wait. And I'm you know, we're welcoming here. We understand.

SPEAKER_05 43:24

I'm not.

SPEAKER_03 43:24

Oh no, I'm gonna make sure they hear it.

SPEAKER_05 43:27

Like every time we start doing good and you start seeing all the jerseys start coming out. Man, I have no like like how we were just talking about people press you. I'll fucking go up that if I see a brand new fucking jersey, like say it was I remember I was at a club one time and buddy's wearing a fucking Tony Romo jersey. Fucking fresh, like fresh. I'm pretty sure he still had the fucking tags on. I know how this is gonna go. I went up to him, so obviously I'm gonna start shooting shit about cowboys, and he's like, Oh my god, cowboys, this blah. Quarterbacks in the history.

SPEAKER_01 44:04

Like, really? Like, or where did Tony Romo go to college? A lot of fans are a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 44:10

No, but don't start saying that. No, there's a casual. Be a casual. I'm not saying nothing. But don't come in and start being like, oh yeah, man, I'm a diehard Cowboys fan. Really? Name a quarterback not named Tony Romo or Troy Wakeman. Like Bender.

SPEAKER_03 44:25

There's so many that's just like casuals. The thing is, is like right now. That's fine. You can be a casual. Just be like, but don't say you're gonna be diehard. Like I've been a cowboys fan my whole life. This is how it goes when they're bad and you're wearing a cowboys jersey in public, which I do all the time. I love wearing my cowboys merch all the time. Wearing it right now. Yeah, I'm wearing it right. I don't care. But there will be the guys who will be like, the freaking cowgirls, they fucking suck. And then if they're doing good, it's the same people. Let's go, man. America's team. It's the same people every single time that will do that. And it's only to the cowboys because they are the they are the epitome of everything.

SPEAKER_04 45:06

No, there's fans like that for every team.

SPEAKER_03 45:07

No, but not here. Like, not like we're not in a football market. I'm not, I'm not like if you went down to Seattle and you were wearing a 49ers jersey, I get it. They're gonna give you flack or whatever. They might give you a box of donuts. They're very nice down in Seattle. But if you're in like a neutral ground where there's no football being played and it's like no team, and you're wearing a cowboy jersey, you're gonna get somebody being like, either like I was in fucking Greece. I was in Greece, and people were coming up to me, and there were people going, this is before the season started. Or no, this is not before the season started. This is when Caleb Williams and these fuckers imploded, and Matt Eberflus embarrassed me on international soil. That's when that was actually. Now that I remember, all the flashbacks are coming back. But you were in fucking Egypt.

SPEAKER_05 45:53

I was in Egypt for that.

SPEAKER_03 45:54

I but so I was talking to one of our buddies, uh, and we were talking about how you have to do the last place punishment or whatever for a fantasy football league. And they talk, and he's like, I think it was his Egypt trip. He's like, I don't think he, I think he was having his two dollar beers and just like absolutely or 10 cent beers and just fucked off and didn't pay attention to his roster at all. I was like, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 46:12

That sounds like something I did because yeah, like, dude, what else am I supposed to do? The the beers for the fucking tall fucking like 750 milliliter fucking big big bottles bigger than the tall boy cans were fucking like a dollar. I had so many of those, and then I'm just chilling on the rooftop. I got my fucking cell phone with the games going on, slamming my beers with the three fucking pyramids in the background, man. It was fucking like heaven.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

And then and then fantasy football was the last, and then and then you had the joy of watching Maddie Reflu's defense get fucking torched.

SPEAKER_05 46:45

I'm pretty sure I woke up people more louder than the call to prayer. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:49

All right. Uh I I gotta reel this back. We gotta finish this article and get into some QBs and running backs. Uh all right, Khalil Mack. This is where it generally gets painful. So defensive coordinator Paul Gunther signed on in 2018 and is told basically choose. You can either re-sign Khalil Mack, uh, the reigning defensive player of the year, or keep five serviceable starters. Gunther says he took the job to coach Khalil Mack. So they let the five starters walk. Then, 10 days before the season opener, Gruden calls Gunther and tells him he just traded Mack to Chicago for two first-round picks. Gunther's response was, John, we just let five starters walk, and now Khalil's gone. We got nobody left. That same year, midseason, Gruden traded Amari Cooper to Dallas. So now they've gutted both sides of the ball. Uh the Raiders go 4-12, give the most points in the league. The idea was to accumulate picks and rebuild, but as we'll see, they couldn't draft either. So I'll keep this one tight because you probably know most of this is uh Grudin pushed hard for an Antonio Brown trade in 2019. Uh, he was convinced he could handle any off-field drama because he'd just outcoach it. Brown showed up to training camp in a helicopter. His feet were frost bitten from a chyrotherapy session in Paris. He was fighting the league over his helmet. He missed basically every practice, posted his finds on Instagram, called his GM a slur during a practice argument, and was released before playing a single snap. Mayok himself is quoted saying, it was a shit show from day one. And a source sums up Gruden's blind swap perfectly. He'd get so blinded by talent that he thought he could coach around any character issue. He could not. So, this gets worse. They traded away their best players, they got all these picks, and now it's time to actually draft, right? That's that's that's not what you do. They do not draft well. The 2019 draft, three first rounders and a pick inside the top 40. They take Clellan Farrell, fourth overall, despite um, and this is my favorite part, considerable internal pushback. The original plan was to trade back, but then they panicked on the clock. Meanwhile, a fourth-round pick from Eastern Michigan named Max Crosby is out playing the number four overall selection in camp every single day. Crosby, of course, becomes the best player the Raiders have drafted in a decade. Then the 2020 draft. And guys, this is brutal when you see who's on the board. The Raiders hold a 12th overall pick and need a wide receiver badly. Three wide receivers are available. Henry Ruggs, the third, CeeDee Lamb, and Justin Jefferson. Gruden, obsessed with the speed angle, goes full Al Davis and takes Ruggs, the fastest guy at the draft at 4.27. Lamb and Jefferson were both still on the board when Las Vegas made that call. NFL mocks Lamb, goes on to become arguably the best receiver in the NFL. Jefferson goes on to break rookie receiving records and win offensive player of the year. Rugs is now in a prison. Then with their second-round pick in nine, second first round pick in 19, the Raiders take corner Damon Arnett, who Scouts had graded as a third-round prospect. He gets cut a year later after a video surfaces of him threatening someone while holding a gun. Third rounder, Lynn Bowden Jr. was gone five months after the draft. And the article notes that four of the five, four of the first five picks from that class were off the team within 18 months. By 2021, they had two separate draft boards. One from the coaches and one from the scouts. Because the building had fractured so badly. One source said that he had worked for six other coaches and three GMs and never heard of that happening anywhere. Now, the end, the final picture. This is where it all comes down. Gruden resigns five games into the 2021 season after the New York Times uncovers a series of racist and misogynistic emails he sent to his old Tampa Bay GM, emails from his ESPN years. So pre-Raters. Interim coach Rich Biasca takes over, wins the last four games, and nearly pulls off a playoff upset in Cincinnati. And then Mark Davis fires both Biasca and Mayok. Mayok's quote on that was Had they kept Biasca, they'd be chasing a West Division Championship as opposed to the first pick in the draft. Since then, two more coaching regimes, a GM who's handpicked by Josh McDaniels, another who was essentially picked by Tom Brady, and Brady is now a minority owner calling the shots. They've got the first overall pick in the 2026 draft. There's optimism again. People are happy. Woo, Mendoza, woo. But the franchise has been here before. As one source puts it, the underlying issue is that Mark Davis has never respected the GM position, and until that changes, the cycle probably continues. Now, the final question I have for you guys is is the franchise actually turning a corner with Brady and Kubiak, or is this just the next chapter in Mark Davis's story?

SPEAKER_05 52:04

I think it's definitely turning the page because I mean you've got the number one pick. And I've talked numerous times that I like having guys sit. So they brought in Kirk Cousins. So if Mendoza is not ready, you've got you've got an option to not to not uh throw him throw him to the wolves. But Brady's Brady's calling the shots now. Like I like. Oh he's he's slowly slowly picking a little bit picking up, yeah. But it all depends too. Like it, because I know with him being an analyst, he's only allowed to do so much. Um, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 52:40

I don't Brady's never hitching himself to a wagon and losing.

SPEAKER_04 52:44

They went out and got a like uh uh who was it? Klubuck. He was a great coach. They could have gone out and drafted like an old coach with Michael McCarthy. Say it, say it's I didn't want to say it again again. You know, coach like that wouldn't have set back your team again for a number of years. Yeah, so they are turning the corner.

SPEAKER_03 53:08

They are, and I think they will be there will be it'll be fun to see, it'll be fun to see what that city looks like if the Steelers are winning. Or sorry, not the Steelers, sorry, the Steelers are not winning. I know you got us sorry, you got the Steelers on your I know they they were on my mind. If the Raiders are winning, if the Raiders are winning, it'd be fun to see if anything changes because right now, since their move to Las Vegas, they haven't really been winning, so we don't really know. Like maybe they do uncover and untap a market in in that city, in that region with fans, and they actually do get that support coming back. So who knows? Fellas, let's go into let's go into quarterbacks here. All right, so we're gonna go through the beast. I'm gonna go through some quarterbacks uh that we have. Um, let's rip through these. Uh, obviously, the first one's Mendoza. Um, his strengths, according to Dane Bruegler, throws with a high level anticipation and ball placement, uh, smart pre-snap, stands tough in the face of impending contact. You saw him getting knocked around in that national championship game. Uh, he's got enough arm juice to rip every throw he wants. Uh, it was shown on the 2025 Iowa tape with that whole shot throw. He's always the most prepared football player. His idol is Tom Brady. He's got an eagle as personality. Like, it's really hard to hate the fucker. Um, the weaknesses. So he benefited from an RPO heavy offense at Indiana. He had the highest percentage of first read throws. Uh, he's rarely required to get to a third and fourth read or backside routes. He's guilty of leaving clean pockets and doesn't like to be stagnant very long. Uh, his deep ball is inconsistent, leaves some short, leads others. He's more of a linear athlete. He's not elusive in tight quarters. Uh, Brumu's take was obviously he's a one-year starter at Indiana, three-year starter overall. He thrived in Mike Shanahan's RPO heavy offense, led the Hoosiers to a perfect 16-0 national championship, greatest season in school history. Heisman, Maxwell Award, Big Ten MVP. He was a two-star recruit at uh Cal. Obviously, the I think this has been well reported on. His mother was a his mother was diagnosed with MS when he was in high school. He's created the um Mendoza burrito promotion in Berkeley and Bloomington with 100% of the promotion uh proceeds go into the MS Society. Um now Bruegler's scouting report says that uh Mendoza rarely was required to get a third or fourth read in Indiana's RPO system. Uh he went 16-0 and won a Heisman in that system. So do you think that they um when they're draft when teams are looking at that, does that matter? Does it matter that they ran a specific system that was so heavy RPO that wasn't a pro style system?

SPEAKER_05 55:44

Yes and no. Um, but the big thing is rarely required to get to the third or fourth read. He's gonna have to learn to get go through those progressions because especially now when you're going up against certain coaches that if you're up and against the disguise or you're up against some of these all pro corners, all pro safeties, they're gonna bait the shit out of you. And if you if you got can't move your eyes, because that's the thing, too. If you stare down your first read, they're gonna jump that all fucking day long. So he's gotta get ready, even if it's not, he's gotta go through his progressions, or he's gotta fucking make sure that he's not staring down as a receiver, or he's gonna get picked off.

SPEAKER_01 56:21

But you know that's gonna happen probably at day one. Like that's a that's a rookie QB mistake. Your eyes, man. It's your eyes. They usually are gonna look like so many times you see these rookie QBs in the NFL, and they just first read, throw the ball, it gets picked, run back the other way, turn the ball over, fumble, they don't pick up the linebacker on the weak side, kind of thing. But Mendoza's a smart kid. I mean, you know, he's shown it throughout his career. Having different coordinates at Cal, and then having the mindset, you know, to end up learning under Signetti at Indiana, and you know, he didn't have like outstanding playmakers to play around, but he made it work.

SPEAKER_04 57:04

He didn't make a lot of he didn't make pretty much any mistake in Indiana, so you know he's gonna have to make mistakes and overcome them and learn them. So I will to be an NFL quarterback. I think you probably will because in that division, the Raiders and he seems like the kind of guy that's really hard that has the ability to go through that phase and come out of it with with like experience and be like, okay, I gotta learn, I gotta learn this, where other people just fail.

SPEAKER_05 57:30

But one of the other weaknesses that they they mentioned and that I've mentioned before is he doesn't always identify unblocked pressures and pays the price. This is what I'm saying. When he takes that fucking first shot, when he gets fucking rocked, he needs to pop right the fuck back up. And I know he's a nice guy, but talk some shit.

SPEAKER_03 57:49

So that kind of leads to my point. So I'm gonna be in Pittsburgh with all these guys. Uh I would love to hear I I'm I'm I'm gonna be proven wrong about this, and I'm gonna tell you that now. Recording April 9th. Draft is what, 24th? Yeah, I think so. Whatever. Time around that time. I'm proven wrong about it. 23rd, I think. 23rd. I'm gonna be proven wrong about this. I'm gonna be incorrect. I know that going into it. You guys can find me in Pittsburgh. Yeah, happy to chat with you Raiders fans. Raiders should not take Mendoza number one.

SPEAKER_04 58:30

I just I think too risky from the whole Jamarcus Wrestle thing, probably.

SPEAKER_03 58:34

Well, my thought process is is there are so many holes on the Raiders. There are tons of holes on the Raiders still. What is a h- what does a hole get ya right now? Yeah. What what do you get from even just the Jets? What can you bait the Jets into giving you? Can you put Mendoza on the Jets? The Jets aren't winning shit either. But now you control their future next year and you control your own. Now hear me out here. The quarterback position, you want a leader. You want a guy that's a dog. There have been guys that have come out out of mid-round picks, and we'll talk about some of them in this in this episode here about some mid-round quarterbacks that have come out and they have balled out. Dak Prescott recently. You look at Tom Brady, was a mid-round pick. Brock Purdy, people can say that was the last pick in the draft and balled out. There's just he's a nice guy. I really, you know, it's really shitty. You know, he's got a shitty situation with his mom. Like, obviously, like with her going, what whatever she's going through. That's one side. I just don't think he can command a NFL locker room. I don't think I think Indiana was Kurt Signetti commanding that locker room. I think Kurt Signetti got those guys to buy in. I think you're gonna see a similar result when Josh Hoover comes in. But when I'm saying, like, put the team on my back and drag them into the fight and drag them down, and like, you know what, we're winning this game. Very Tom Brady ass. I don't know if he's that guy. I think Mahomes that guy. I think to an extent Josh Allen can be that guy if it's not in the playoffs.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

Oh, I disagree.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:25

I don't think I don't think he can drag him into the fight.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:28

I don't think but they brought they gave him a whole supporting cast with Linderbaum. You have Janti, Bowers, Kubiak. No, no, they've given him the biggest. But if the right trade comes along.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:38

No, they've given him they've it's not that it's not that the QB is the last podcast when the offer was made what he was saying, I think was Arizona or even the Jets offers.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:49

It was Arizona and they were saying I would have taken that in a heartbeat. But no, it's it's not saying I'm not saying that they're not gonna take him. I think they're gonna take him. I think the Raiders fully believe that this is the missing piece and they're everything's gonna be fine. They're they're gonna take button.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:02

It's also a big Tom Brady factor there.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:04

And Brady will Brady will be like, this guy is is you know, he studies the film, he loves the game. And listen, you could find a nerd that loves football tomorrow. You could go and grab one and be like, you and he knows probably the ins and outs of every single play. But my theory is is more so like, are you is that kid who I saw giving his diplomatic answers on television, uh, his you know what, his other like personality aside, uh, can that guy drive a grown man who's 32 to be like, fuck, you got a block for me? Can he get in the face of a guy in practice and be like, what the fuck are you doing? But he's got well, he's gotta prove that in training camp.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:45

He's not he's not a game changer, like a game breaker.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

I think he's a game, I think he's an excellent game manager.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:51

Yeah, I think he's not a game changer.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:53

I don't think he can alter the I don't think he can alter the game. Like, I don't think he can single-handedly take like Lamar Jackson can single-handedly love or hate him, he can single-handedly alter the game. Yeah, there are games where you watch Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson just take over, and it's just like, oh, okay, I guess this is what we're doing now. Aaron Rodgers, do you see that dog that you see in Aaron Rodgers? Even Aaron Rodgers today. Oh, I fucking shit on the Steelers today earlier, and whatever. I tell I have my feelings about Aaron Rodgers, but even today, Aaron Rodgers on the sideline, Aaron Rodgers commands respect. Just from his aura, his personality, his play.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:31

But he's earned that respect.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:33

Exactly. Tom Brady commands respect. Dak Prescott in the huddle, when you hear him up mic'd up, how don't you want to run through a wall? And your quarterback has to be able to draw that respect out of you in order for you to be successful in this league.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:48

I don't know. I think he started showing showing that in uh in the national championship game, especially on that first drive, because he got, like I said, he got killed, or on the kill the member. He got up and then you started seeing that fucking emotion because he got up when and he was when he was that second shot when he was bleeding and he got up and he was losing his shit. Like he started to show that. So I think he can, but he needs to be coached into it. And I think Kubiak getting Kubiak with that, but I think that's also why why they went out and got Kirk Cousins because maybe they don't think that he can be that guy from day one.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

Yeah, and I would love to his debut. Listen, his debut, I'd love for the four of us to watch it because I want to see him get absolutely rocked.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:30

That's what I said. I've I said it that that's how you gain gain respect.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:34

That's how you get guys take a shot, fucking get up, take a shot, don't throw an interception, don't fumble the ball. I don't care if you okay, it'd be great if you could make the play and the guy catches it. Great, but take the shot, get up.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:48

All the tools are there for him to succeed. Yeah, and I don't think he's got he's got extreme confidence right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:54

And like I said, he's going first overall, he's gonna go first overall. My theory is more so like watching him closely, watching other stuff, and it's like people are like, How are you gonna nitpick? I'm in this, that, and the other, he's this. I'm like, listen, tons of first overall quarterbacks that haven't figured it out. There's tons of them, there's tons of people that have been drafted first overall that hasn't that have not figured it out, and I'm not saying he won't ever figure it out. I'm just saying, aside from that national championship game, there was not much adversity that he faced.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:23

And yeah, because he had the perfect season.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:25

He had the perfect season on the perfect team with the perfect coach, with a perfect scheme. Things are not perfect, and as we just talked about, Raiders have not gone together in a very long time. So it'll be it'll be interesting to see. Moving on, fellas, Ty Simpson. Uh he is 6'1, 211 pounds. They've given him a second round grade. Um, quick processor, reads out entire field, replace uh repeatable mechanics with quarterbacks, muscle memory, athletic enough. Defenses must respect his ability to boot or keep, communicates like a pro at the line, grew up in a D1 locker room, work ethic and coachability instilled from birth. Uh, his weakness is mediocre height and build, looks small at times of the pocket. Arm strength is more average than above average. Um, always finds check down too quickly, appeared to second guess himself in the second half of 2025. Uh, only one season as a starter, lack of experience manifests and reads. So one year starter at Alabama, sat behind Bryce Young and Jalen Milrow for three years. Uh, his father, Jason, is the head coach of Tennessee Martin. He's got a 129 and 96 career record. Ty grew up literally living on a D1 practice field. He turned down NIL offers reportedly in the four to six and a half million dollar range from Miami, Ole Miss, and Tennessee to stay in the draft. One thing to note his receivers dropped 30 passes in 2025. That's the second most out of any power for quarterback. Now, my question is do we judge QBs by the drops their receivers make? So it Because his completion percentage was 64 and a half. If they make half of those, it takes a huge jump up. Um, so my question is do we judge quarterbacks by the drops their receivers make? And how much of a quarterback's evaluation is about what's out of their control?

SPEAKER_05 1:06:15

If your receivers are dropping that many, like part of it could be your receivers, but also part of it is your accuracy because you're not getting them the ball to the ball placement to where your receivers want it. I mean, if you want to these the funniest thing was the other night in basketball, LeBron James with his fucking kid. LeBron wanted the fucking bounce pass. This kid throws him a fucking lob. LeBron just throws the ball right back at to him and fucking gives him the motion. Like, give me the fucking bounce pass. Like, if you're not getting it to where you're going to think. If you're trying to get the ball, like your receivers want the ball where they want the ball.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:54

And if you're not even like But it, but it's also the catch radius for the receiver, right? Well, I think I remember when I played football or tried out if the ball hit your hands, you should have caught it. Yeah, generally. So same thing in the NFL, if or like in college, the ball hit his receivers and they didn't catch it. Yeah, and what about him?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:15

And I think we get we and it's not like he's whipping, it's not like he's like a Jameis Winston who does just firing fucking cannons.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:22

I do think that NFL teams will take that into consideration. I think there's I think the Ty Simpson stock is higher than most people think.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:31

Oh, it's it's oh his his stock hit it, it shot up. Yeah, like after it's it's been high for a little bit. Quietly, quietly high.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:40

Quietly, yeah. It's like I don't know if a team's willing to have the balls to drop a first on him, but it's high. Uh, next question, fellas. Simpson sat behind Bryce Young and Jalen Milrow for three years before getting one season to prove himself. He's now going to the NFL with less starting experience than almost any other quarterback in this class. Is one year starting enough to evaluate a quarterback, or do you think that um I guess, or do you think like the circumstance? Like he was obviously playing in Alabama, SEC, led them to an SEC title, matter more than raw reps. Like, do you think it would have been worthwhile for him to go back?

SPEAKER_05 1:08:14

I don't think he's a starter if he goes back, to be honest. I don't think so either. I really don't. I'm not in that. I think he got I think he's going pro because he got forced out, and I don't think he wanted to go to another school. Plus, it's like a scenario, like you know, you know, you are gonna get drafted. Yeah, why not? Because look if look what happened if he did go back to school for another year, he could end up like what Garrett Nussmeyer.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:37

Yeah, we'll talk about him.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:38

Yeah, but the thing for me with is looking at the weaknesses, man, like the pack passing accuracy is good, but ball placement needs to be better. That explains the drops right there. Always locates the check downs too early, needs to develop a better sense of what is open and what isn't, appear to second guess himself over second half of 2025 season. Indecision leads to unnecessary sacks. Like, that's the shit you don't want to see. Yeah, and then it like it's funny because like they do the compare the comparable on this Daniel Jones with lesser physical trades. That's not fucking flat.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:16

So I was gonna that's actually the next question. So he's compared to Daniel Jones with lower physical trades. Jones just got a hundred and sixty million dollar extension and then was cut. If Simpson gets to the NFL, shows the same process, limited ceiling. How long does an NFL team live with that?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:36

Well, not very long, and they're he's probably not gonna get the deal that Daniel Jones got.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:41

He's gonna bounce around until he finds like a home.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:44

The problem is, is like I think he's a little more athletic than people are giving him credit. Like, I don't think Daniel Jones was like okay. We watched Daniel Jones try to move. He would look like just not good. I think the game, the game is coming to a point where you can't just sit in the pocket anymore. Like, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to move around. Whether that's a lot of moving or not so much moving is is dependent, but you're gonna have to move around. Um how long does an NFL team live with that? It's the one of the fucking owners have the shortest amount of patience ever.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:16

Well, that's what I mean. Like with these quarterbacks, like the other than Fernando Mendoza, and apparently, you know, the signing of the Kirk Cousins, even he's not a guaranteed day one starter, all these quarterbacks are not day one starters, they're projects. So you're gonna have to you're gonna have to decide that this is the guy that you want to spend resources into developing, and it's gonna be like it, it's gonna be a few-year process.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:38

But if you if you can get Simpson in like the second or third round, like with his physical ability, with the ability to move, run pass option, good footwork, clean accuracy, it's not a bad pick in like this. No, no, no, for sure. Oh, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:52

It's not a bad pick if you have a quarterback, a starting quarterback that's there and you're looking to bring up someone in like three years.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:00

He's a guy that's gonna get drafted earlier than he should. Like the other guys that we talk about are getting will probably get drafted where they should get drafted. And then it's it it if it works out, it works out. If it doesn't, fuck it, whatever. But Ty Simpson, someone's gonna, someone's gonna draft him earlier than that than they should. Probably gonna make a trade to trade up to get him. So you're wasting another asset.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:24

My thing is I've got a team that I've heard uh heard some slight rumors. So these are slight. I've got some I've got some rumor mills today that are slight rumors. I have heard very, very slight rumors that the Houston Texans are interested in acquiring the services of Ty Simpson. Very, very slight. And that's a team that picks late in the first round, could move up to try to go snag him. Not a bad pick. And that could be that could work.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:55

Like I think it's a bad pick for that team.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:57

Well, I mean, you have seen Stroud Stroud. But they decline, like, they accepted his fifth year.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:02

So I mean, like or yeah, if you're not going with Stroud, you're getting someone experienced with that with the team they have right now, they're yeah, they're they're in win now mode.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:09

They just need a game manager, like they just like they they just need somebody that can manage the game. But I feel like if you don't fully believe that Stroud can get you there, this is a decent enough pick, I think. If to like in that scenario, like your defense is so fucking good. If Stroud doesn't throw the fucking interceptions he throws, like you're fucking you're talking, you're talking a different story right now. Oh, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:30

So we also gotta build around Stroud. They need that's like part of that late paint of Momari.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:36

They gotta get Tank Dell back. Tank Dell would be coming back, would be huge. Uh moving it along, fellas, let's keep this going. Uh, Garrett Nussmeyer, QB3 in uh James uh Dame Brewer's uh uh The Beast Guide. One thing to note LSU run game ranked 124th in the FPS in 2025. That is huge, and I think like you can rate a process, like you can rate a quarterback, and I might have a favorite. There might come out a little biased here, but you can like you can talk about a quarterback and be like, okay, like you know, he did this, he did that, he did the other thing. But if you take away a quarterback's ability to have a run game, and we saw this with the Cowboys when they didn't have a run game briefly, it's like it shuts down your offense because you're no longer able to deploy a play action, you're no teams no longer respect your ability to run the ball, so they just you know what they don't even bother stacking the ball because they're like fuck it, they're not gonna run it. So the coverages you face are not like they're not fair basically because every team knows you're gonna throw it because your running back sucks.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:39

Yeah, you're one dimensional. We talked about that all season, all near the end of the season. Every team that went up against Indiana. If you don't have a fucking run game, because that's that's how they that's how they won their games. They got you off your run game, turn you into the one-dimensional team. And if all your plays are throws, man, that your defensive play calling becomes so much easier.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:59

Yeah, and the strengths on Nussmeyer, he's got a smooth stroke, ball shoots off his head. Really good throw. If you guys want to go look at him throw the ball, it's very nice. Good feel for all of his reads and how to access them, quick to identify man zone indicators, delivers with timing through traffic. Some of his weaknesses, he's undersized in stature and build, smaller hands, smaller than ideal hands. He gets a little overambitious and attempts some tight window throws. Um, senior year was disappointing. Preseason abdomen injury limited him all year. And then, of course, we talked about run game ranked 124th in the FBS, zero ground game support. Uh, he's a two-year started at LSU in uh offensive coordinator Joe Sloan's RPO offense. He had first round buzz after 2024. That's when he should have declared. Uh, senior year was a disappointment. A preseason abdomen injury restricted his movements on his run game, it was nonexistent. His father, Doug Nessmeyer, was a fourth-round pick uh and played for five NFL teams. Garrett uh grew up moving 12 times during his dad's coaching career. Now, Nusmeyer had first round buzz after 2024. His senior year, he dealt with a preseason abdomen injury, a run game ranked 124th, and offensive line struggles. His draft stock dropped from round one to round three. How much do we blame the player versus the situation? And are there cases where a quarterback stock drops quarterback stock drops for reasons entirely outside his control, and NFL T and our NFL team still penalizing him for it? He also had Brian Kelly.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:32

I was gonna say this that season for LSU is kind of just it's kind of like Clemson. It's a fucking write-off.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:40

Um you know what he can do, but that injury just you know, an abdominal injury, because everything, everything you do, you're throwing everything is in in your fucking hip, like like movement. Like if that that if you can't overcome that, that fucks up your mechanics. And if your mechanics are fucked up, that's fucked. Like it's it's it's like a snowball, snowball effect, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:00

Like throw the ball differently, exactly. Depending on how he can twist his hips.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:06

I mean, we have a cramp in our abdomen, or like we have a cramp in our leg, and we like lose our minds, like having a full-on injury. Like, I don't even imagine. Like, that could be pretty bad.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:16

And again, like you said, you don't have a run game, you're one dimensional, and if you're one dimensional and you're not throwing with your right mechanics, his confidence was absolutely fucking shot. So there's another thing. If you're not playing with confidence, that shows and if it just everything when it rains, it pours, yes, and it fucking poured on him this season.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:35

He's not a very mobile quarterback, which is a negative for his size, too. He's not very big.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:40

He's not a very yeah, he's not a very big guy.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:42

So even though he has a strong arm, it's like he's just gonna sit in the pocket and he's not gonna roll outside.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:48

So I mean, I look at it as like it's if he went last year, he was what first round. First round. That's where the stock is just went down. A team can take a what a third or fourth round pick on him. I think work in progress.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:01

I think it's the best case scenario for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:04

Because last year he would have some team might take a risk at him. Uh his stock might go up when he's healthy and ready to go.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:10

Last year, if he was drafted in the first round, he would have likely gone to a bad team.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:13

There's not very there's not a lot of good teams that need a quarterback. There's a lot of bad teams that need a quarterback, and he probably would have had to start right away or had some bad snaps or whatever. Now he's going in round three, it opens it up where you'll probably go to a team that has a steady quarterback one, yeah, and you're allowed to you kind of go in a you go into a no-pressure situation where you get to develop and like sit behind a quarterback, so it's not the worst thing. Um, his father, Doug Nussmeyer, played five NFL seasons and went on to coach at five different programs as an OC. Uh, Garrett grew up watching his dad teach quarterbacks. Does football bloodline translate to NFL success? Um, I know we talk about Arch Manning a lot, uh, but or is it a storyline scouts use to feel better about a pick?

SPEAKER_05 1:17:58

I think being the son of a coach, your preparation, because you know how to prepare from day one. You know and you like you know you've you've been on teams with the coach's son, and it they're just different in how they prepare from what how you prepare, because you don't know how to prepare. You're trying to learn your thing, and of course, when your your coach is there to coach you, but you know they're coaching their son differently than how they're coaching you, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:18:26

Like coaching at the dinner table, coaching when we're brushing our teeth, coaching when we're but it could be the opposite.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:32

Like you're sitting prepared, but it could be a guy that's like I've been around football, my dad's been coaching.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:38

No, those kids, those kids don't make it, and they don't make it fucking early. I've been around one of those, I've been around one of those um in baseball with what fucking coaches kid, and he acted exactly like that. And no, he no, there's a month.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:50

There's like there's the kids that burn out, like there's the kids that's not burnout, there's the kids that are like okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:56

Eventually gets to the point where you just you you don't make it, but ain't no kid burnout like after college.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:03

Like once you've made it to like or near the NFL draft. Like once you've made it to this point in the thing, you're locked in, like you're ready. Because it takes so much. You can even you can even fuck around your way in high school. You can even like you can even do nothing and go to like some like no-name school in the middle of nowhere, get a scholarship. You can even do that. Like you can get you can get out of high school. But when it comes to like big program, when it comes to going to the draft, when it comes to battling through injury, eating right all the time, making sure your body's kept like taken care of, making sure your fucking DMs don't leak. With social media, make these guys are trying, these guys half their fucking battle is making sure the girl they slid in the DMs with won't expose them. And like there's wild shit like that going on in their brains all the time. So like they're constantly worried about like keeping their reputation intact. So I there's no burnout for him, I think, until like if he's gonna burn out, the kid's gonna burn out at like 12, 13, 14. That's about it. And it'll he'll it'll be like I don't want to do this anymore. But I don't you know what I don't hate Nessmeyer. Like, I I'm not a I'm not a huge fan, I'm not overly sold on him. Uh for people like whichever team he does go to, go watch that SEC documentary on Netflix the first season. He's all over there. Like, this was from last year, not this past year. Um, and they covered him, and he was a he was a star of the show. He knows what it's like to be in front of the spotlight. Maybe he's a cowboy. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows how far he slides? Uh next one, Drew Alar. Um strengths, better than average arm strength. Uh, his best throws are vertical attempts. Ball comes off cleanly with drive velocity. He's rare size for a quarterback. We talk about small quarterbacks, he's 6'5 with functional play strength. Uh he set the FPS record for 311 pass attempts to open career without an interception. Uh, some of his weaknesses, he's got inconsistent rhythm between his feet, eyes, and arm. Uh, he's got messy footwork that affects his accuracy, season-ending ankle injury, missed most of the pre-draft process. Uh, he's overly conservative with the reads, which leads to second guessing. He actually did not play quarterback until high school. Uh, he's a three-year starter at Penn State and offensive coordinator, Andy Kotilnikki's RPO offense. He opened his career, like we said, 311 pass attempts without an interception, finished with 73 career touchdowns, third most in Penn State history. Senior season was underdone by inconsistency and a season-ending ankle injury that kept him from the combine and most of the pro day work. Um Drew Lar didn't even start playing quarterback, like we said, until high school. He started out at other positions. He then went on and set you know the records for most pass attempts without an interception. Does a late start to playing quarterback hurt you permanently at the NFL level because of reps, or does it mean you still have untapped upside because the ceiling isn't fully formed yet?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:07

No, it doesn't hurt you. I like his size, arm strength. He just needs to develop, needs to work on the footwork. Yeah, I think we're a great great pick like in the mid rounds. Yeah, I think he's for any team though. I think he's a stealer. He is. I think he's a stealer. I think uh he's one of the guys I'm hoping he goes to Detroit. Oh I just think all of it reminds me of a young Matthew Stafford.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:36

I just think all his weaknesses, like you're like an inconsistent rhythm between feet, eyes, and arms, messy footwork, um inconsistent, inconsistent touch on on bucket throws, like all this shit is coachable. And like all the weak, like going down to the his weaknesses, all this shit is coachable.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:55

So it's just more reps. Yeah, he just hasn't had as many reps at quarterback. But it's also like his ankle injury kind of fucked him up because if he went to the draft, if he got coached before the draft in all those drills, like we look at we talk about Ty Simpson and his stock going up. If Drew Aller was helping up and he was throwing at pro days and at the combine, we might be looking at him as jumping up the draft boards.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:22

I think he, like you said, coachable. If there's a QB whisperer out there that's head coach, fellow Yinzer, Yinzer himself. This makes the most sense. And I they've met with him multiple times. These he's been to their pro day, he's gone in, he's met the system. Like, this is the prototypical. Like, if you want a project, if you are a Q like he claimed, like if Mick McCarthy claims to be a pro, like I thought Will Howard's a project. Well, well, they might have a couple projects they're working on, and then don't don't tell me they're going to Cleveland Project. They might have a few projects. But this is a good this is a good pick. Like Drew Lar, I think he's played in big time games, meaningful games with Penn Penn State. That's a program that obviously has their that has their history, but not a bad. I I mean I can't hate him.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:08

I don't know and then and then just to go just to go with that, to the two of his strengths where he was a two-time captain and he's got a pro-level work ethic. And Scouts said he's always in the building, always trying to get better, studies with the coaches. So I guess all his shit is coachable, and clearly he's a guy that wants to be there and learn from his own.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:28

He can throw that football.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:29

There you go. Yeah, he has good arm strength.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:32

Beautiful stuff. All right. This one's a fun one. I really like this candidate, mainly because I like the school. I'd love to go down to this school's game. Uh, Cole Payton, QB5 from North Dakota State. Uh, he's ranked in fourth um uh fourth round pick. Um not too bad, not too shabby. Um, he set the North Dakota State uh University record for total offense uh game yards and total offense play yards. Which uh, you know what? That's those are some big records. 268.9 yards and 9.71. Uh his strength, strong arm, drives the ball without much help from his body, true dual threat. Like he's got uh 1,918 career rushing yards and 31 rushing touchdowns. Uh, he set the school record, like we said, as is in his first year as a starter. NFL NFL teams initially scouted him as a potential tight end convert. That's how good his uh as his athleticism is. His weakness is he's underdeveloped pocket awareness, so he holds onto the ball a little too long. He frazzles under pressure, so drops eyes, leads that leads to some sacks. Uh, he's got some rigid delivery with uh elongated release. He waited four years behind Cam Miller, so he's very raw as a starter. He's a one-year starter, backed up Cam Miller for four full seasons, turned down FBS offers out of high school, hoping to play early at North Dakota State, but Cam Miller beat him out. After watching Miller for years, Peyton set school record records in his only starting season. NFL teams actually considered him a tight end entering 2025 because of his size and athleticism, but he played his way into a QB prospect instead. Um, fellas, he had FPS offers out of high school. He turned them all down to go to North Dakota State. Uh, he then waited four years behind Miller before getting a shot. One year of starting at the FCS level, that's the entire sample size. Can you draft a fourth-round quarterback based on one year of FCS tape? Or does the fact that NFL teams considered him a tight end conversion say everything you need to know about his tools?

SPEAKER_05 1:26:41

I always have not an issue, but I'm always kind of wary of guys that play in FCS because even when you dominate, you're you're playing FCS, you're not playing FPS. Like, look at the group, look at the difference between the group of five to the power four. Now you're going even lower than the group of five into the FCS. I mean, I know what North Dakota State has done, but Oh no, I hear you.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:09

Like But you know what I mean? I I wish he wasn't at North Dakota State. Like, I wish he was at, like, I'd even take him at fucking North Texas or Tulane or wherever.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:18

Like I said, a group of five and see what he can do.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:21

But he's so fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:22

But oh, absolutely. He is so But he's gonna be a later, a later round pick. So I mean, you're gonna have it's a clear you're there.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:30

There's not a guy I've tried harder to get on the podcast than Cole Payton. I'm trying every day. I'm sending his camp message, Cole Payton's camp. If you're listening, we love you. Come on the pod.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:41

Did did he play tight end before then or no?

SPEAKER_03 1:27:43

No.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:44

No, he just he just has the the size.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:46

Yeah, just like the size and the traits of six three, two hundred and thirty two pounds, and he moves. Like he can go.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:52

He can move, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:54

If there are teams out there that want to taste some hill kind of like player, I've that's I was blanking I'm like.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:00

There's a guy right now. Yeah, Taysom Hill.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:02

Taysom Hill is pro comparison. Yeah, utility, exactly. You just throw him out and wide out and running back, tight end, bounce them around. So he's gonna get drafted to a team that already has a quarterback that is just looking for a little more, you know, energy and maybe some flex in their offense. So I don't think he's gonna be a starter right away.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:24

No, and but the thing is is like I'm always I'm always very cognizant of like these players that are projected this like in that range. Because hey, we got Dak. Like we got Dak.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:38

There's gonna be one of these guys that's gonna be like a pro bowl pro bowler TV, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:28:42

And we got Dak. And like I can't I can't ever Dak are drafted in the third. He was a comp he was a comp pick. He was a comp pick. Uh he might have been a fourth. He was third. He I think he might have been a fourth fourth. Uh fourth round, 135th overall, 2016. Uh he was initially targeted as a developmental backup to Tony Romo. Tony Romo went down in preseason. We all freaked out. We said the season's done, it's over. We drafted Zeke Elliott for nothing. We're fucking losing our minds. And Dak Prescott went in there and he showed up. So I'm always curious to see like which one of these late round flyer guys turns out to be like, hey, this guy's actually got it. I'm rooting for Cole Payton. I think he's got some tools. Um, but it'll be interesting. Another guy who's actually ranked lower than him, who is got national championship pedigree. He's gone to the big dance. So that's our next guy, is Carson Beck, uh, quarterback from Miami. So he's he's some of his strengths are he's got, you know, he's a one-year starter at Miami, three-year starter overall. He won two national titles at Georgia behind Stetson Bennett, and then he transferred to Miami for a big NIL deal. Uh, he led Miami to the national championship game in 2025. Technically sound passer who processes well but falls apart under pressure with 14 turnovers and six career losses. His career ended with a turnover. Um, actually, both of them did. He's the only one. His final play at both Georgia and Miami was a turnover.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:19

Um, Bruegler I don't blame him for that last one.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:23

Hey, come on now. Look at him. Look at him. Future Hurricanes fan. He he had to throw that ball and uh well tough the Bruegler's report indicates um obviously the big detail. He's Carson Beck's got 14 combined turnovers and his six career losses. In his wins, listen, he's cerebral, he's efficient, in a closer adverse situation, he falls apart. Is that a character issue, you guys think? A lack of clutch, or is that a sample size problem? And how much does a quarterback's record and losses matter in NFL evaluation? I'm gonna be hard on the guy, so I'm gonna look at it.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:56

He is just one of those guys that is just polarizing. He can look so fucking good at times, and then there are times where it's like, bro, what the fuck are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:10

Well, that I'll okay. I'll ask you the second follow-up question I had anyway, because you basically laid it out for me. Is he a guy who elevates his team or he only looks great when everything around him is great?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:21

No, no, but he only looks good when everything around him is great.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:24

Exactly. I think I lean that more. Yeah, and the NFL scouts say in the article here, uh, not a vocal player on sideline or in the huddle. And that's the thing. It's like live by the sword, die by the sword. If he's throwing a great ball, but that's the thing at Miami. He had weapons right all over the field. I honestly think out of all the QBs, he's he's the worst. I think this guy's gonna be a bust because he really does not throw the best ball, he is timing is off. He's only a pocket pass. Just yeah, can't do much else. He can't do much else outside the pocket. Yeah, I think he makes poor throws.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:00

He's not like listen, I I would love for him to prove me wrong. Like, I'd love for him to go out and do something. I just don't see it. I just I just don't see it with him. I don't see anything on the tape, I don't see anything in the stats, I don't see anything in his like if he was like this crazy athletic guy who was making taking all these big risks, making these throws, and like he got picked off, I'd be like, all right, at least he's fucking doing some crazy shit. He's not, and we'll talk about him. He's not Diego Pavia and the turnovers, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:28

Like, turnovers are huge, like that's that's an issue. Like, that that's an issue that if it's an issue there, it's gonna be a bigger issue in the NFL.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:37

I would not spend a fifth round pick on him. So anything after a fifth, I'd be like, all right, bet.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:41

I mean, if you're a sixth, watch him go to the cowboys.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:44

Watch watch Jeremy.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:46

I was gonna say he's gonna go to the Steelers and be their starter, but not being fucked no.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:50

Oh, that'll be fun. I'd I'd understand that.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:52

If you the Steelers make the playoffs, and then it's what happened.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:56

You're senior and you were at Georgia and Miami and you commit turnovers like you do. You would think you would have figured out a way to protect the ball and go through your reads and progressions and make better decisions. You were at Georgia under Kirby Smart.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:10

You were the problem is you can make your turnovers, you can make those turnovers there, and you can still win. That's how good those teams are. And that's what makes that how good those look good. That's how good those teams are. It's one thing when you're playing on a school like fucking, I don't know, uh North Dakota State. You make a turnover, you're pretty much cooked. Texas, Arch Manning made a turnover against Ohio State, it was pretty much cooked. Like you're pretty much fucking done. Like they're not coming back from that one. The thing about Georgia is you're the quarterback. I could probably go up play a couple snaps, still fucking fuck myself up, and they'd still probably win the game. Yeah, they're just that good. Like they just there's just that pedigree. And I think like the problem is is like the problem with college football, and I think this is where the thing is headed, is you almost need more big time games, you don't need as many blowouts because what happens is Carson Beck looks great when they beat up on FCS or whatever, like fucking Florida South State, like or Tulane or like whatever these smaller schools they beat him up like 60 to 4, 60 to 3, and Carson Beck looks fucking given some credit, man. He was in the national championship game because Miami's defense was fucking you got Michael Urban whipping fucking people on the fucking sideline.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:32

He still found a way to help outscore the other team.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:35

Well, I guess so. But my point is it's just like, yeah, I just think like, you know what? Like he's played on these great teams, they found a way to like cover up his mistakes. NFL teams don't have the luxury of like, hey, throw, go throw three interceptions and then we'll and find a way to win. It just doesn't happen very often. Uh let's keep it moving, fellas. We're almost wrapped up with the quarterbacks, and we've got to go into the wide receivers. Uh QB7, uh Taton Green, Arkansas. Uh, two-year starter at Arkansas, four-year starter overall. He started at Boise State. Uh Bobby Petrino's spread offense. Green ranked number three in the SEC in total yards per game at 290. In 2025, he's been one of the most productive quarterbacks in college football over the last two seasons by volume and big plays. But uh, we talked about this just now with uh Mr. Beck. Uh, 37 turnovers over two seasons uh is a real number. And his completion percentage is 60. Um, once again, Dalen Green, 6'6, one of the best arm leg combinations in this draft class. He's led the FBS in big plays for two straight years. Talked about those 37 combined turnovers. When physical ability and turnover rate pull in opposite directions, which one wins?

SPEAKER_01 1:35:48

If you're a quarterback, turnover rate. Turnover rate. Like doesn't matter your size.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:53

For for me, like he but he said the highlight reel, but at the same time, this guy just screams Jameis Winston. He's gonna get you your touchdowns, but those turnovers, man, he's gonna be one to one. But uh he's gonna get or not not even one to one, like 37 fucking turnovers, 20 interceptions, 17 fumbles.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:13

But it but okay, he is he does scream Jameis Winston, but at a fourth or fifth round, or at a fifth round pick.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:20

Oh, he's take a flyer on him, but as a you can use him as like a RPO quarterback.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:25

No, but at a fifth round pick, if a at a fifth round pick, is he really like is Jameis Winston a bad trade-off? I feel like it's a win.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:32

No, I'm not I'm I'm not saying it's bad. I just you gotta know to expect he's gonna turn the ball over. So yeah, he's gonna give you those highlight real fucking wow moments, but at the same time, he's gonna give you those fucking reminds me of a Richardson.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:48

No, see the problem, the problem with that comp is like, yeah, physically you might be able to see some comp comparisons, and this will go down as like that's another guy that like we have not talked about as much. Is the fall from grace Anthony Richardson has seen. Wow. Where they picked him to like now, they're like, here you go, you can explore some trades. No, you don't take you don't waste that much fucking capital taking a guy that high, and then being like, you know what? All right, I guess you can explore some trade, like figure it out. Go develop him, go figure out a system that works for him, get his trade value up, then trade him.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:32

Well, there was also talk of the comebine that he was gonna possibly change positions and become what and this guy could do wide receiver, Anthony Richland. No, uh oh.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:49

Well, with a name like that, obviously.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:50

I mean, if you want to talk about pro comparisons for this guy, the guy that I think of is Terrell Pryor. The guy can if you can't be that at all, yeah, yeah, yeah. He runs absolutely yeah, you know, he can't make the throw, he runs. He's an incredible athlete, he's got the height, the speed, the size.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:08

He he has all the skill set to prove us wrong. Like he has all the skill set to be like if he just develops his decision making a little bit better, like he has all the skill set to be human. Like, I might be drafting this guy in fantasy football in three years and be like, wow, look at him.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:22

Oh, yeah, right. Great fantasy football player.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:24

He would be a fucking like a gadget machine, exactly. Like he would be insane. However, it's also like he's got to go into that system where he has to once again go into a team, has a designated quarterback, he's just a backup. The Chiefs would do wonders with him. Yeah, the Chiefs would be a team where it's like no pressure at all. All you gotta do is sit back and watch Mahomes and Andy Reid cook it up, and then you can go in there. I don't, I don't hate, I don't hate him. I don't hate him, but he's got it. The turnovers do turn me off a little bit. Now moving forward, guys. Another big name, uh, big name school to uh Kate Klubnick. 6'2, 207. So three-year starter at Clemson and OC Garrett Riley's RPO says scheme. Uh, the top ranked quarterback recruit four years ago. He finished number three in Clemson history in his past career passing yards behind only Taj Boyd and Deshaun Watson. Hello, how are you? Started 40 games, his senior year was inconsistent, and that's the version of Klubnik NFL teams will remember most. So, fellas, Klubnick, number one recruit, QB recruit in his class. He was supposed to be the next great Clemson quarterback. Uh, he ends up as a fifth to sixth round backup. What does that tell you about the QB recording uh recruiting rankings coming out of high school? Is the gap between a fifth uh five-star quarterback recruit and an NFL starter smaller than we think, or is Klubnick just an outlier?

SPEAKER_05 1:39:48

Uh it's hard to say. Like I said, what like I said earlier, this Clemson season. I mean, they were projecting like they had tons of people saying they were gonna have a chance at the Natty, that Klubnik was gonna win the Heisman. It was just kind of a season like LSU had. It was a fucking write-off, man. Nothing went right for nothing went right for Clemson this year at all.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:12

Yeah, he could have benefited, you know, same thing like Nusmeyer. He maybe could have gone to the draft earlier and and put himself in a good situation. Now he's looking like he's gonna be a backup. Not great. He had a really off year.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:28

Listen, I'm gonna like you guys are being very nice. Let me let me just let me just let me just get let me just cut to this thing here. All right, fellas. Clay call uh what's what's his oh here we go. Cade uh congratulations. Uh I see you recently got married. Uh very congratulatory uh thing that happened to you.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:48

You're just like looking at everybody's like lives or something on the milk test is milking.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:55

Very congratulations. Now, what I'm gonna say is, okay. I always tell this to parents. I used to work at a sporting goods store. Parents would come in with their eight-year-olds, nine-year-olds, they'd be freaking out that their kid was gonna be the next hockey playing sensation. They thought their kid was gonna go to the NHL, they thought they were gonna do magical things. And I always tell them, I said, wait till girls get involved and then talk to me. Wait until he talks to his first girl in high school, then come back to me. When you're the number one recruit coming out of high school as a 17-year-old, you're you've already done the high school startup. And most of these guys are coming from small towns. Brandon, you've driven through some of some of the small towns in Texas, how small they they truly are. Oh yeah. They're coming from schools that are like maybe what, like or towns that are maybe what uh um 2,000, 3,000 people max. Like they're not coming from big cities. And listen, they may be the star of the show, they're the bell of the ball there. And then what happens? They go down and clubs. You you were at TCU. You were at TCU too, Matt. What did you see at TCU? A lot of asset. I was gonna say talent, but he's a quarterback at all.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:14

Obviously, we know the hardest girl in school is gonna have to.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:17

Right? You know what I mean? So it's like it's easy to it's easy to lose the focus when you're coming out and you're you're you're going from Texas from Westlake High School uh down to Clemson. It's easy to learn the focus. It's hey, I don't blame them. And that's the difference. You can tell listen, they can tell me whatever they want about Clemson's season, whatever happened, whatever you know went down, whatever. In his case, it was he was a number one recruit coming out of high school. He literally was thrown in the demons of like you are the number one recruit and you're the starting quarterback for the Clemson Tigers. He thought he was he thought he was Trevor Lawrence. He thought he was that guy. And what happens? You start partying too much, you start going out too much, you start, you know, next thing you know, girls got your fucking nudes on her phone. You gotta wire her 100k. But he but your fucking wide receiver is out here fucking like passed out in the middle of a bush. You gotta get him out of the bush, like shit like that happens. You're you're at close. So he experienced college, exactly. So it's like what people are saying is the gap from number one recruit in high school parallel to like does that automatically mean success in college? No, no, and you see a lot of times the number one recruits coming out of high school, they're almost like you don't even hear about them because you're like, like, where did they go? What happened? Because they lose focus, and that's where we talk about like when we talk about the Mendozas of the world, the man is focused, the man's got a mission, but he was also a two-star recruit coming out of high school. Yeah, there's no eyes on him, there's no lasers on him, nobody was doing like there's nothing around him.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:01

He went to fucking Cal.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:02

He went to Cal, exactly. So, yeah, I don't know. Good luck to Cade Club Nick. Uh, wish you all the best. Uh, good luck being married. Uh, wrapping up here, fellas, I got one last one. Diego Pavia. The man, the myth, the legend. Uh, two-year starter at Vanderbilt in OC Timbeck's RPO scheme. Grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico, raised by his mother, Antoinette. Lovely lady. Made the very viral lady, she was. Uh, winding road to the SEC, played out of JUCO, then New Mexico State, then transferred to SEC country. First Heisman Trophy finalist in Vanderbilt history, finished runner-up to Mendoza, set school records across the board. Um, right now they're projecting him as a seventh-round pick or free agent. Um, fellas, Pavia finished second in Heisman voting. He plays at 5'10. He was the first Heisman finalist in Vanderbilt Hill history. Vanderbilt. Schrager doesn't even have him drafted. Brueger Brugler gives him a seventh-round free agency grade. How does a Heisman finalist walk into the NFL draft and fall to that level?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:07

Because the college game is different than the NFL game. Why they get 5'10 and you play Vanderbilt. Why they hating my why they're hating on my boy?

SPEAKER_05 1:45:15

He can't even throw over over the offensive line of a fucking NFL team, man, at 5'10. Forget it. He can't even throw.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:23

Yeah, I mean, the kid's okay, but he's not NFL caliber. Listen, Diego, you know this.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:30

If you're listening to this, um, hey, give us a shout. Red Zone Blitz Pod X, Instagram, TikTok. Wherever you find us, give us a shout. If you're in Diego Pavia's camp, we would love to talk to you and Antoinette. We would love to buy you some drinks. I love to introduce you to two guys that think that you cannot play football at the NFL level. And I think that if there is a world, you know what? God damn it. If there is a world where we've seen Daniel Jones enter the NFL, we've seen Mac Jones play NFL football. We've seen Kyler Murray play NFL football. Justin Fields play NFL football. I'm gonna start Trey Lance. Trey Lance play NFL football. I'm just gonna name it fucking like quarterbacks that played for the Jets. Geno Smith play NFL football. Uh Ben Denucci play NFL football. Oh god. Uh what are the other names? We have uh Cooper Rush. Good old Cooper Rush play NFL football. Snoop Huntley play NFL football. I can keep going. We can do this all night, but where we've seen this vast variety of people play football. And were any of them any good? There's room for Diego Pavia to play some NFL football. Oh, there's room. He'll play. Give the man an NFL snap. Let's let a rip. Hey, shout out Theo Vaughn, big fan of your show. Hey, love you, buddy. Love Antoinette. Love Diego Pavia. That's it on the quarterbacks, fellas. Um, we'll be back on the other side uh with the good old running backs. How are you? And then we'll we'll we'll talk about Mr. Mr. Jeremiah Love. Home of the Legion.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:07

You're a bigger fan than I am now.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:09

I hey, there ain't nothing wrong with uh there ain't nothing wrong with some Jeremiah Love on uh on my Dallas Cowboys.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:17

He the man, he the man. Walk in the spot, everybody got played. Yeah, ladies want to know if he single what's the play. But he just left it off like girl, that's KK. Love machine.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:28

Yes, love machine. Um all right, we'll be back on the other side of this. Uh do not change that dial. And we're back. All right, running backs here, fellas. Running backs here. Uh let's go right into it. Uh, number one running back on the on the charts, probably the number one prospect in this year's draft. Jeremiah Love. Uh, two-year starter at Notre Dame, helped the Irish average 40 plus points per game for the first time in 113 years. Uh born he was born premature, uh, three pounds, nine ounces in St. Louis. His first pee-wee play was a 70-yard touchdown run. Uh, state 100-meter champion in high school, uh, created an autobiography comic book Germonstar in 2025. Both parents served in the military and retired from the St. Louis Police Department. Um I don't know what else I can really say. He's the number two overall prospect. He's the highest ranked running back Dane Bruegler has ever placed this early in the beast. Running back is supposedly the most devalued position in the NFL. Does Jeremiah love break that rule?

SPEAKER_05 1:48:41

I mean, he's the perfect he's got everything. He doesn't do it, he doesn't really do anything wrong. The only thing wrong is he goes big game hunting at times, trying to go for the home run play, which he usually ends up getting. So is that really weird? He can fucking catch, do everything.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:59

So one thing about him, I was gonna ask you guys, sorry to cut you guys off, is he was never allowed to hurdle in high school or college. Coaches always coach that out of him. Now he's that he was gonna go with the NFL, no one's gonna stop him. Is that a trivial detail, or does that tell you about how much physical upside is being suppressed by conservative coaching and what you might actually get when he goes to the NFL?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:20

Well, I mean, you've seen what happens when guys do fucking go hurdle. Like you either it's hit and miss because if you clear the guy, oh, it's a fucking highlight of the night. You're on Madden, but you get rocked, man. That ball, that ball security, and injured, injuries, you get hurt, you fall, you fall wrong. But I mean, I'm excited to see that. He I think everyone's excited to see that.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:46

And I know we'll talk about mock drafts, we'll do our own mock drafts.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:51

I if he's there at twelve for the cowboys, I'd be shocked if he uh there he ain't surprised if he dropped that for now.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:59

I think if You're any team right now. Aside from the Raiders, because they got Genty. Which I bet they're probably thinking they should probably should have waited. But if you're any team right now and picking in that top 15, fuck it.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:16

I think if you're any team in the NFL right now, like if you need a running back, like if you need a running back, like this is the guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:25

Like he is the he is the dude. He's gonna change a franchise fortunes. He's we talked about fantasy football guys.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:33

Well, you've already seen Kansas City Chiefs, signing Walker, Saints taking uh I would not be prepared, but I knew how they already know he's not gonna be there. But I don't think I'd be shocked if he filmed it.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:46

If he slides, uh and if I'm Kansas City, fuck I might take him as fuck I signed Walker. Who cares? Let's run two demons, let's run them both on each side. Let's do it. Um, listen, all the praise to uh Jeremiah Love. I cannot wait to see where he goes. Um, I don't really have much to critique him on. Uh, there's not much I can say. No kill tape. No, there's no kill tape. No kill tape on on Mr. Jeremiah Love. I think you got to go out there and he's just yeah, he's gonna make a franchise very happy. He's gonna sell a lot of jerseys. So I'll be excited to see where he goes. RB2, we got Jadarion Price, also from Notre Dame. Notre Dame pumping out two uh two running backs. Uh he's a part-time player in Notre Dame, loves primary back. Uh he didn't play. Uh he had zero career starts over four years. He would have been RB1 for most FPS programs. First Notre Dame player in history with multiple kick return touchdowns of 100 plus yards in the same season. He grew up in Denison, Texas, one mile south of the Oklahoma border. Uh, birthplace of President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Uh, his mother Jessica had him at age 17 and was later diagnosed with breast cancer. She battled 16 rounds of chemotherapy and beat it. He dedicated the 2025 season to her. Price is described as having NFL starting caliber talent, but also having ball security issues. He's a second to third round pick. The same team the drafts love in the top five could draft Price in round two. Two Notre Dame running backs, one feature back, one career backup. Does the team that takes both get value, or is that a redundancy that wastes draft capital?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:29

You're wasting draft capital. Like drafting both of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:31

Both of them?

SPEAKER_04 1:52:32

Yeah, you're wasting draft capital.

SPEAKER_01 1:52:34

Yeah, that's a waste.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:35

Like, how are you gonna date? He barely played in another game, right? As of in the running backs point, but like it would be a waste of time. But let's say he's gonna be a kick returner.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:45

But let's say he's at the third. No, well, I mean, he could be in like the David Montgomery, Jameer Gibbs situation. Like, you could have one, one.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:51

But then you're taking love off the field.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:53

Which you're gonna have to do as much as you love your boy Love in order for him to be alive. In order for him to like be alive and and you know continue to please you for many years, love has to get off the field, love machine.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:08

But would you waste a second round pick on it?

SPEAKER_03 1:53:12

If he's sitting there in the third, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:14

Like if I have no if you're the same team, why would you draft both of them, right? Why not? If you want to run a tandem, fuck is there if you even want a backup for luck, it could be something like why would you not why would why would you not want his boy?

SPEAKER_03 1:53:30

Yeah, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:31

Honestly, like that is the thing that that zero career starts, man. Like not if you're price, like would you want that again?

SPEAKER_04 1:53:39

Like zero starts, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:42

I think he'd like to put for the program. He might get he might know what I mean, like in the NFL. I think he's trying to say, like, would you want to be drafted behind uh yeah?

SPEAKER_04 1:53:52

Like you want to be the number one guy.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:54

I think a team, I think I think price, I think price would have fun times on on like Seattle. Seattle would be a fun time for him. Uh Houston. Houston could be a fun time for Price. I can see him going. I don't think they're gonna go. I don't think that tandem would happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:11

He seems like a very explosive running back, though. Well, he's a kick returning touchdown.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:17

He's described as having plenty of tread on his tires. Obviously, we talked about it. He's averaged fewer than 10 offensive touches per game his entire college career. Uh, he's a fresher product than most RBs entering the uh NFL. Does carry count matter in how you evaluate him, or is that just a narrative scouts use to sell a pick?

SPEAKER_05 1:54:36

No, I think touches matter. But at the same time, he doesn't have the miles on his body. He's the freshest.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:41

So he's also got to work on pass catching. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:44

To be more of a to be more used in different situations. Yeah. Like, but like right now, if like you're a team, you're you could be the thing is if I'm like if I'm high on him right now, which I'm not, I'm not totally high on him. So I won't, I won't go into a scouting room and be like, yeah, you gotta draft him because he hasn't played a bunch and he's so fresh, and he's gonna be like, he's less likely to get injured, and there's less tread on his tires. Not gonna go with Ashpiel, but there is a case to be like, hey, he hasn't been banged up, he hasn't taken big hits. He like his body is as fresh as ever. Like, when you're pitting him, not against Jeremiah Love, but when you're pitting him against some of these other second-round, third round running backs, there is an argument you can make to be like, hey, he's fresher than that guy. Yep. Right? Um, I'll keep it moving here, fellas. We got RB3 Mike Washington Jr. from Arkansas. He's a one-year starter at Arkansas, stops in Buffalo and New Uh New Mexico State. He transferred to Fayetteville with low uh Fayetteville, Fayetteville with low expectations and played the best ball of his career on a bad team. He posted 6.4 yards per carry, those top 10 nationally for a losing program. His father, Michael Sr., is a major crimes investigator for the uh Utica Police Department. Oh, the Utica. Shout out to the Utica Comments uh AHL team. Are they still around? No. I don't think so. Actually, no, they are. They are still around. They just represented by they're represented for a different uh NHL team. Uh his mother, Patricia, founded the Patty Roy Foundation, a nonprofit helping the homeless. Um Mike Washington Jr. ran the fastest 40-yard dash of any running back of the 2026 Combine, 4.33 seconds. He's 6'1, 223 pounds. He played for a bad Arkansas team and put up 6.4 yards per carry and barely anyone noticed. Does playing for a losing program cost a player draft stock in a way that's unfair?

SPEAKER_05 1:56:40

Yeah. Because if I mean if he's putting up those numbers on a shitty team, think of what he would have done on a good team.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:47

Yeah, I agree. I think uh I think a lot of his stuff was massed under the fact that he, you know what, they weren't winning, um, and no one was really paying attention.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:57

Um I think another problem, like it goes back to his high school days when he was getting recruited. COVID really messed with him because he wasn't able to go to all these programs outside of his state, outside of New York. Wow, yeah, and then he actually had to settle for Buffalo. So maybe not settle, but he didn't get the opportunity to go see the other schools.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:18

And who knows what his career trajectory would have been if he had gone to a different program and like things had worked out for him that first year where he didn't have to transfer out. No, that's a very that's a very good point because like a lot of people forget like COVID is we're still feeling the impacts of COVID, like even today. No, that's solid. Uh moving on, fellas. My uh favorite name of the running back um committee, Emmett. Emmett Johnson, uh Nebraska. Fuck you, Nebraska. Uh, two-year starter at Nebraska and Dana Holgers wait, well, how do you say this? Holgerson. Holgerson, thank you. Holgerson's air raid uh breakout 2025 season as the only FPS player averaging 150 scrimmage yards per game. His parents immigrated separately from war-torn Liberia uh Lib Liberia Liberia? Liberia in the early 1990s. They met in a church choir in the U.S. and got married. Lovely. They later took their children back to visit, and he is the youngest of three kids. Um listen, Emmett Johnson led the Big Ten in rushing and was the only FPS player, like we said, to average 150 scrimmage yards per game. Uh, he did that in a pass first system where the run game is almost an afterthought. Does system context make his numbers even more impressive? The fact that he was able to get those scrimmage yards in a system where it's like pass first.

SPEAKER_05 1:58:39

Yep. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:42

Um, like I don't like for me, I think like this is a this is a steal. He's a guy that can run the ball and catch the ball. He's a steal. Yeah, yeah. He's a steal. Like, and I think a lot of people are gonna look at it like they're gonna be like, um, he's not a power back. He reminds me a lot of like pre-injury Tony Pollard. There's a lot of pop in him, like you're gonna see him. There's a lot of burst. Um, he's not a power back, he had 92 career receptions and averaged 7.6 yards per catch. Um, he is heavier, he's 200 pound. Um, he's you know what? He's not a 225, one cut power back who can't catch, but you know what? There's some things that like they can mold into him that can make him better. I think if you get him in the right system, like you get him in like a system that can utilize like screen passes or a system that can utilize him like in a way where it's beneficial to not have a power back, he could work. He could work, he could work in the third or fourth round. Uh, next one, fellas, Katron Allen, also known as Fat Man from Penn State. Um, he's a four-year starter, emerged as a team's clear number one back in 2025. After uh sharing carries with Singleton for years, he's nicknamed Fat Man by his mother because he weighed almost 10 pounds at birth. He prefers the nickname over his real name. He led the FPS in fourth quarter yards per carry uh in 2025. Uh he gets stronger as the game grows uh goes on. He grew up in Norfolk, Virginia. So, fellas, like I said, he he led the FPS in fourth quarter yards per carry. Um is a running back who consistently performs in the fourth quarter more valuable than one with at least athleticism who disappears in big moments.

SPEAKER_05 2:00:32

That's stamina, man. Yeah, fourth down, fourth, fourth down, um fourth quarter. Today's NFL you get going as the game goes on.

SPEAKER_01 2:00:41

Yeah, so you just get better and better. But today's NFL, like, it's so pass-heavy that once you get into the fourth quarter, you want those goal line touchdowns. You want like the Laguerre, Blunt, Kareem Hunting.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:56

Yeah, you need a guy who's gonna come out for you big in the fourth quarter where everyone's tired. But how do you measure that? Like, how do you like what would be how would you okay? You have this guy, fat man, and then you have like I don't know, let's say we had Emmett Johnson, who would you guys take? Knowing what you know about him.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:17

I don't know. I probably Emmett Johnson. Probably like Emmett Johnson just I don't know, but having having a fat man. Listen, I love the name.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:28

I think fat man is more like situational.

SPEAKER_05 2:01:31

I just I can just see it now. Fucking just the the cowboys with no no no, just just the game day announcers having to call him Fat Man.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:39

Well, they probably won't.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:41

They won't. No, I don't think they would be allowed to. He seems more of like a situational running back than Emmett Johnson. But Emmett Johnson seems more like a guy that can play like a three-down back, yeah. He can run, catch, he can be a little bit more explosive with the ball.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:59

And if you and if you just if you want to get those tough yards, you could probably just coach it out of your O line. You can get the big guys up front just pushing the pile.

SPEAKER_05 2:02:08

Well, that's that's one of his strengths, too. It's consistently moves the pile or finishes forward, especially in short yardage. Uh first down, right? 70 carries resulting in a first down. So I mean, he's pushing the pile.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:20

He's and you know he's gonna have the energy because or fucking goal line, put him on the goal line.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:27

Emmett Johnson's more like an explosive guy. Put him on the goal line. You need that one yard. You're on the yeah, whereas Fat Man is more of like, I'm gonna get the five yards, get the first down.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:37

All right, nicknames only Fat Man versus E Boogie.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:42

What the hell is that? I still like Emmett Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:46

Oh, that's it.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:46

No, Fat Man's better. Fatman's living. He did um listen, um, Emmett Johnson was East West Shrine Bulls offensive player of the week. Like he he did, he had he is he is a bit of a dog, I must say, Mr. Emmett Johnson. So not not a bad player there. Uh keeping it going, fellas. Jonah Coleman out of Washington, local to us. Um, going with his bio. He started two and a half years for Washington. He transferred from Arizona. One of nine siblings, his father, Jimon, was wounded, or not wounded, wounded in a drive-by shooting when Jonah was young. He's been pulled, he uh was young, had been he wait, hold on. His father had been pulled into the gang life. Jonah became a Pac-12 running back. 24 of his 25 touchdowns at Washington came in the red zone. That number is not a coincidence, it is skill. Uh Coleman's one of um scoring is 24 out of 25 touchdowns in the red zone. Um, now that's like that. You gotta talk about positioning, instinct, physicality at the right moment. In today's NFL, where red zone efficiency decides games, is Coleman the type of back that provides more value than his overall stats suggest.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:59

Yeah, he's a bruising running back, hard to bring down. Yeah. The only thing he lacks is top end speed.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:04

No, he's he's he's like when you talk about cream hunt. You talk about blunt. He's a hard guy to tackle. He he's he plays strong for his size, he's only 5'8. He's 5'8, 220. Like he's a fucking little Tonka truck.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:16

He's at 22 reps on the bench.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:18

Yeah, no, he's his senior year was undermined by a knee sprain. Um, so he got four point four yards per carry over his final 10 games. Um, I mean, listen, he is power.

SPEAKER_05 2:04:31

And he and he doesn't fumble.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:33

No, he's he holds on to that ball. So that high praise for Mr. Coleman. Um, shout out to the Huskies. Uh, moving on, fellas, Damon Clareborne, Wake Forest, uh, two-year starter at Wake Forest in Rob Easel's fast tempo spread uh from Islet, Virginia, a small rural community 25 miles northeast of Richmond. He's got a twin brother named Damien plus three other brothers. Uh, mother Tomeka worked multiple jobs with so two supporters five sons. His yards per carry improved every single season of college. Um, like we talked about every single year, his yards per carry um improved. Uh, Brug was concerned is his size, 188 pounds, his tendency to bounce plays outside when they go when they should go inside. Um at 188 pounds, fellas, in the NFL, is there a version of this player that works as a third down susp as a third down specialist or returner, or does the size floor him?

SPEAKER_01 2:05:31

I think the size is a bit of an issue for him at that position.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:35

He's not gonna be a three-down back, no, but he's a he's a little fast electric running back.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:42

Yeah, they say low cal, he's like a low-calorie Devon A chain.

SPEAKER_05 2:05:47

I mean, that's a better comparison than being that's better than Daniel Jones with less physical traits, better than what we could have given him.

SPEAKER_04 2:05:53

I look at him kind of like Isaiah Paheco. Yeah, not a guy that's gonna get you the big yards, but a guy that can electrify you with a ball and good side-to-side later movement.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:04

I mean, he's fast though. Like he he is like he can get turn on the jets, like he is a fast dude. So there is, I mean, you see Turpin running in the two-back system now. It works. Like, you see Turpin having success with the Cowboys in certain roles, and he might have to be a gadget player like that, where he's only in certain situations, he's not out there all the time. But you see, you see it happen with Turpin all the time. Um, moving on, fellas, Nicholas Singleton. We talked about his Penn State cohort. Uh, four-year starter at Penn State, eventually ceded the lead back role to Allen, but left as one of the best ever to wear the uniform. Uh, passed Saquon Barkley in school records for career rushing touchdowns 45 and total touchdowns 55. All-purpose yards, 5,586. Grew up in Shillington, Pennsylvania, 60 miles west of Philadelphia. Squats 570 pounds. Younger brother Sean is a sprinter at Cutstown University. Like we talked about, he broke all those records that Barkley had. Um if Singleton goes in round five, are you looking at the records and thinking this guy did more at Penn State than Saquon did? How does that not translate higher to a higher draft pick grade?

SPEAKER_04 2:07:21

His pass protection scares me. Because if you can protect your quarterback, you're pretty much only going in on running downs.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:30

But I I still think there's usage there.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:33

There is usage.

SPEAKER_03 2:07:33

So like how is he how is the guy that beat all of Saquon's records at Penn State only getting round five to six? Like I'm just a little weary about how that is happening. Yeah. Like he he broke them all. Like he broke them all convincingly. So it's like, I don't know. I'm I'm confused as to like okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:56

How long was Saquon at Penn State?

SPEAKER_03 2:07:59

I think maybe got one more year. I think that might be one extra year then Saquon.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:03

Because one extra year could could be a lot.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:07

Yeah, but worst case they're at par. Like worst case they're at par Saquon slightly better. But even if he's not okay, even if Saquon bet Saquon Barkley, like you do the math and Saquon Barkley still evens him out. Saquon was a first round pick. This guy's going on the like a fifth round. Where is that drop coming from?

SPEAKER_05 2:08:27

Well, he is injured.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:28

That that's where I was that's where I was gonna go with it. I'm like, it must be like there, it must be the injury concern.

SPEAKER_01 2:08:34

He just broke his foot. Yeah, it was a big drop off from the previous year in terms of how many rushing yards he had, amount of carries.

SPEAKER_03 2:08:44

So yeah, it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to see what happens with him. Um moving on to the last one for the running backs fellows this guy's my favorite. Eli Heidenrich from Navy. My this is my favorite sleeping running back. He's he's a crazy guy. White boy running back. He is he is the dude. Uh, also from Navy. Uh started for two and a half years in Navy's modern triple option, played the snipe Z position, part running back, part wide receiver, part slot, set Navy's records for career receiving yards, single season receiving yards. He and Tavon Austin are the only FPS players since 1956 to have 925 receiving yards and 900 rushing yards in the same season. Uh, his grandfather was a naval officer in the Korean War, serving at Navy was a family calling. Um, like we talked, like I just said, Eli Hendrick and Tavon Austin are the only two FPS players since 1956 to have those accolades. Um, Tavon Austin was a top 10 pick. Heydenrich goes in the fit round five according to projections. Is the production level the same, or does the fact that it came in a triple option Navy offense make it incomparable? And can you even evaluate like Navy players or stats against Power Four competition?

SPEAKER_05 2:10:03

It's hard.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:04

It is the way they play.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:08

I think you could. I mean, what'd you say? Through triple option set is what they're well.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:13

He played a snipe Z, which is like there's no real position like that in the NFL. He was a running back, a slot receiver, and a wide receiver all in the same game.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:22

Like he's way better, way better than the game. So he's got all the wide receiver, it's a slot.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 2:10:29

But a lot of teams.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:30

But he's got that versatility, right? And you put him in different spots on your offense.

SPEAKER_01 2:10:34

Hey, I think he would be a fun little story. I think he'd be a great pick for the hometown team. He's from Pittsburgh, grew up Steelers fan. Bring him home. Now you're talking. Now you're talking. Bring him home. We're always hurting that receiver, right? You can put him out in the slot. We've already got Dowdle. We got Warren.

SPEAKER_03 2:10:53

The thing is, you wouldn't need to use him right away. And the kid is like you can put him on special teams. He's fun to watch. He was in Yeah. He's he's like, he was uh I was watching him in um the was the East West Rhine Bowl. Like he was he was fun, he was fun to watch. So hey, uh he's one of the guys, like as a part of this exercise and a part of us doing this, like it's been we're fortunate enough to like we're able to like research all these guys now and like we're able to look into them. He's one of the guys that I'm like, all right, I've got my eyes set on that guy. But no, it'll be nice, it'd be good, feel good story.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:26

Another feel another white boy running back to join C Mac.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:30

It would be maybe not the same caliber, not the same caliber, but you never know. You never know.

SPEAKER_05 2:11:36

Another white boy running back. He can run, he can catch, let him fucking loose, let him loose.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:40

All that all that navy, all that navy water. Well, my intro did not seize in as quietly as I wanted, or outro, sorry, did not seize in as quietly um as I wanted. So I played the intro. My bad, my bad, fellas. How do you guys feel? Who's your favorite um who's your favorite quarterback outside of Mendoza?

SPEAKER_04 2:12:00

I'll go with Drew Aller. I love his arm strength. Yeah, I like Aller.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:06

Yeah, I think in terms of placement and where these guys are projected, I think Aller.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:12

Yeah, that's not bad. I mean, give me I'll take the uh I'll take the boy from uh North Dakota State. I'll take Cole Payton. I think it'll be fun. It's a fun little story there. Uh and the same thing for running back.

SPEAKER_05 2:12:23

I mean you gotta say Jeremiah Love.

SPEAKER_01 2:12:27

I'm not gonna say I really like Mike Washington Jr. I think Jonah Coleman do I Coleman will be good.

SPEAKER_03 2:12:34

Washington Jr. will be good as well. Um I like the um I like the kid from Navy. Yeah, I like I like the kid from Navy. I want him to have a I'm rooting for him to figure out whatever he's gonna play and like whatever happens to him. But I I'm a big fan of that. All right. This will mark the end. We got through quite a bit. We talked about all the scandals, all of all of the Las Vegas Raiders, all that good stuff.

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