Centers & Edges — The Kid From Ottawa, the Man Named 'R', Oh Diana...

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Rvell Reese, David Bailey, Jake Slaughter, and Mr. Stini. All in today's episode on the Red Zone Blitz.

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What's happening, fellas? What's going on? Did you just call her Miss Roussini? Sorry.

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Is that is that her husband's name? Do we know?

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Is it Missus? No.

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I don't know. I don't actually know.

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I think you said Miss Roussini.

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I'm not actually. No, I did say Miss Roussini, but I'm not sure if that's is that her maiden name? Is she like your former teacher or something? No, I'm just I said Miss. I don't know if she's is that not her name? Diana Roussini. But do we know if Roussini is her husband's name or her no idea? I don't know. Okay. We might never know. Well, we might not know anything now. Fellas, how are we doing today?

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Fucking beautiful.

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We are almost there. Almost. We are almost at the uh NFL draft. I know what you're waiting for, Matthew, for us to ask you the always pivotal. Stop asking. What the news? What is the latest you were hearing from the Yinzers? Matthew, our correspondent on the with boots on the ground in Yinzer country. Yeah, people are shitting outside stores. I hear.

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Yes. So they are trying to clean up the streets of Pittsburgh in downtown. And they're clearing out some homeless people. And because of that, they are not happy that they're getting kicked out of their tents and out of the nice parks and areas of Pittsburgh. So they're deciding to shit. They're deciding to defecate on the front doorsteps of various convenience stores. Also, in other news, uh, in terms of shitting all over the place, Art Rooney the second went on the local news channel and was asked if the Steelers are gonna make a nice sexy pick, whether it was gonna be a QB, receiver, running back, one of the star skill positions. And he started off by saying, Listen, we're probably not gonna pick a QB in the first round.

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Okay, and then that was it. So basically, right where we were, probably you also want to hear something funny?

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Yes. If you Google Art Rooney the second, the first picture that picture that shows up is Aaron Rodgers. Actually, yeah, let me see.

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Art Rooney a second.

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So is that is that really our steeler, our new owner of the Steelers?

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That is true. I'm not sure. All that sounds like Aaron Rodgers is coming back. Listen, it's not the worst thing. We have not, we're not saying he shouldn't come back, but just let the people know what's going on. The guy's got a pack for Pittsburgh. Does he pack his Aaron Rodgers jersey or not? That's all we're asking for. Man, we're not asking for a whole lot here.

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You have an Aaron Rodgers jersey? Yeah, G got me a whole lot of the yeah.

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I got him an Aaron Rodgers jersey. I funded that purchase. It's great times. Speaking of funding things, Miss Roussini, Diana. Is that better, KK? You still said Miss. I know, but I feel uncomfortable being on a first name basis with the probably most pivotal reporter in news. ESPN came out with a new story today where they talked about some of the details out of this scandal. First and foremost, we found out that Roussini coordinated with Vrabel about how to respond. You don't say to the initial New York Post story. Per ESPN, they aligned on messaging before responding publicly. A detail that arguably creates a textbook conflict of interest under the Athletics ethics policy. The ethics policy. The New York Times, also known as well, they also own the Athletic policy, states relationships with sources require sound judgment to prevent the fact or appearance of partiality. It is essential that we preserve a detachment free of any whiff of bias. Coordinating responses with a source who is also a subject of coverage is at minimum a whiff, Diana. That is you have whiffed far greater than you should have. The sexism defense. So Roussini also argued to her employers that the photos were a sexist attack on a female reporter in a male-dominated field. She also offered to let the athletics speak directly to Vrabel to corroborate her account. The athletics said no, thank you. We will not be doing that. The evidence requests. So athletic executives asked Roussini for more evidence because apparently she was not there just with Vrabel. She was there for a separate trip, a personal trip. Text messages about an airport pickup, screenshots of travel planning, photos from the group hike that she was supposed to be on. According to the ESPN report, Roussini provided no evidence that they could garner her story being sound with. Now, Roussini was signed before the Athletics' internal investigation concluded. The Athletic has informed staff that the review will continue despite her departure. Despite this being the NFL's biggest off-field story for 10 days, most mainstream outlets, including many of Roussini's peers, stayed silent. ESPN, her former employer, was the outlet that finally published this deep dive. Yeah. So my question is how do you view okay? I say this with the most amount of grace, and I love Jane Slater, who's covers the Cowboys, exchange some DMs with her. Very happy me. 13-year-old me right now coming in a sock. Now, like, very happy. Now, having said all of this.

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Sorry, did she pass the milk test? Oh fuck. Go Google her.

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Talk about art. Google Jane Slater. Does she pass the milk test? No, I told her I want a selfie with the goat. I'm like, I'm coming all the way down or boots on the ground. We want a selfie with the goat. That's what we want. We want a selfie with the greatest. Jerry has appointed her the greatest Cowboys Beat reporter of all time. Sorry, Clarence Hill. I'm sorry. But Jane Slater, great job you're doing. Having said, all of that being aside, I will get to Miss Rossini after. Number one, Mike Vrabel. So Mike Vrabel, how do you guys view him? Because there is the segment of people, and I'm listening I'm not telling you to pick a side here. I want to hear your side. Is like there's a segment of people that are saying his personal life is his personal life. Why bring his personal life into the football field? And then there's the other segment that says if Diana Rossini could lose her job due to unprof like due to being unprofessional and all the other things that people have accused her of, Mr. Vrabel should lose his job because God knows how many secrets of the New England Patriots. He's probably leaked out and dealt with her in bad faith. What is your guys' take? What is the discipline for Mr. Vrabel if there should be any?

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I don't think there's right now there's nothing.

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I say we fire him. Nothing's really said about it. I say we fire him.

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Can you imagine just fucking fought? You took him to the Super Bowl. Oh, yeah, by the way, you're fired. I say no, but if you I'm sure the NFL will investigate at some point.

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If the NFL has the balls that they say they do, they should fire him. They should at least they should sanction him. For what? You're you're literally in bed with someone that could you're in bed with someone that could negate the outcome of certain things. All she has to do is start a rumor.

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Let's see.

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Anyone can do that. No, but your position of power. If somebody calls you and you're fucking them and they're like, hey, by the way, great dick last night. Heyha. By the way, we're trying to trade for AJ Brown. So can you go really write up a little fucking story about how the Rams are currently out on him and they're not interested and make us the only people there? So that the offer that the Eagles we were originally going to give them a third, now we can give them like a fourth and a player.

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Well we'll see what happens right now. He's quiet, but okay. I'm sure the NFL will investigate thoroughly.

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If you play on if you played all those dinner scenes clips you showed us, you everyone know all her credibility because she doesn't have the credibility, she doesn't get the benefit of doubt, but she still reports for the athletic.

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I think she's the one that fucked up by this storytelling ain't going off right away. She could have just kept quiet and kid.

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No, this and all her meetings and all her podcasting is not gonna go away.

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The shit she's said. She should have, but she should have. She didn't.

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But how do you how is she gonna stay quiet? What is staying quiet gonna do? They're gonna fire her. She's not gonna stay quiet now, though.

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No, but her she's probably gonna come out with some book or whatever. She can go to another medium.

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She can come out with whatever tom, dick, and hairy thing she wants to say. Doesn't fucking matter now. Like you got fucking caught. Your husband hired the private investigator. He literally and he wasn't a money thing. He's not trying to extort her out of money. He comes for a money. He wanted to prove a point, and he's probably in the point of the divorce where he's like, she can't take half of my shit because I'm gonna prove she's cheating. Here you go, judge. Bang. That's where it came down to. But my thing is if she is she's never gonna be able to work in the NFL ever again. There's nobody touching her with a 10-foot pole. And that has nothing to do with whether she has a dick or a vagina.

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Nothing to do with it. I think she'll get, I think she'll get it. She's never gonna get an NFL. Never she'll get it. I think she'll get together.

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She will never ever be able to get that much access, the access she previously had. There's no way any team is touching her with a 10-foot pole. It doesn't matter. She may have to go start starting college, work her way back up. Hey, who knows? In 20 years, we might have forgotten. She's not gonna have a job. No, she will get another job, but she's not gonna get she. I'm sure Barstool's gonna hire her.

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Exactly.

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But that's not the she's not gonna get credential to go do what she was doing. She was interviewing Vrabel at training camps, she was interviewing coaches at training camps. She's not gonna get fucking access to do that anymore. She doesn't work for the athletics, she doesn't work for anybody. She can work for Barstool all she wants. Hey, to your point, might have a nice book, might have a nice podcast. We might be, we might have her on the podcast. Who knows? Might have a little co-podcast with Miss Rossini. But my point is, all this shit's fucking happening to her. Why not why the fucking shit happening to Brabel? Why is that? Nothing's happened yet. No, what else do you need to happen?

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For what? Having an affair and a personal life is nothing to do with fucking football. Having an affair with a reporter. So what?

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That's what I'm saying. You are leaking shit.

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Okay.

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Because he's leaking shit. He's fucking or he's not fucking.

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How do you I'm not? I assume not there.

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He's the guy that just takes silent.

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If the NFL wants to come. No, clearly he wasn't silent. Clearly, they were talking with they got her phone messages. So clearly they were making up a story together on what to say. They were in touch. I don't give a fuck if he fucks fucking thousand girls outside of his wife. Doesn't matter to me. My thing is you are how you are having an not even a sexual affair. You are having an affair, like a personal relationship with a reporter, and that reporter has actively been reporting on AJ Brown. So if I'm the fucking Rams or I'm any other team trying to trade for AJ Brown, I'm going up to them and I'm being like, suspend them. If not, take a pick. They should be the New England Patriots should face some sort of consequence if their coach is out there dicking down a reporter and the reporter is putting out news that is like specific to fucking AJ Brown, the one receiver they've been tied to since they lost the Super Bowl. Come on, man.

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No. Like, I don't see it.

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I don't think he should lose his job. That's not what I'm saying. But there has to be something. They can't just be like, we didn't do it. They suspended Ezekiel Elliott for three fucking games for something he was proven not to do. When are we not in a serious fucking league? The Ohio State Zeke suspension was for something he didn't even do. It was proven in court he was fucking innocent.

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That was an attack on Jerry, though. That's what I mean. I was just gonna say that.

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I don't give a fuck what he said. Like the flick gate. Come on. Are we not a serious fucking league? Should we fucking make this like the hocus pocus league and just start making up the script? Jerry, go sling your dick in her now. Let's fucking go, Jerry.

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Probably has.

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I probably like her profile picture is J. No, I'm then there. That's what I mean. He probably already fucking has. My thing is if this was under Jerry's smart, he gets people to sign NDAs. If this was under wraps, and this was I'm sure Mr. Vrabel probably got her to sign something. He just got caught by a private investigator. But if this was fucking under wraps and I didn't know about this, I could give a fuck. Fuck whoever you want. Make Mr. Vrabel, tons of sorority girls. Like Lane Kiffin, we always joke about Lane Kiffin having sex with the sorority girls. That's really we do. But that's really fucked up if you think about it. They're like little teenagers. He's like their dad's age. It's fucked up morally, right? Correct? Yeah. Morally, you have a daughter, it's fucked up. Let's come and let it out. It's fucked up. So it's fucked up morally for Lane Kiffin to be doing that. Can we tell him no Lane, don't do that? No, because everything he's doing is legal and whatever. And cool. Mike Rabel fucking Diana Razzini now? Fucking go for it, buddy. She's all yours. Fucking go crazy. Have an origin, whatever. Have do whatever the fuck you want to do. But my thing is, you're an NFL coach. You are trusted with NFL secrets. You are actively in the NFL. You are going to somebody that is in your profession. And that's fucking okay, a truck driver, fucking the dispatcher, getting the best fucking loads all the fucking time. And then his fucking co-workers looking at him being like, hey man, that guy always gets the best loads. He is never working late. He's always fucking doing the best.

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But then they gotta figure out if any stories were leaked right in the conversation. KK.

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You don't hear that when you listen back to that. Dr. getting the best fucking loads.

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Gotta take out my truck driving brothers. We have a solid trucking committee. We were recently posted in a trucking group chat on Facebook. I have come to terms. It was a good shout-out. Shout out to all those truckers. Hey, long haul. Yeah, we're gonna get out of dicks and vaginas here in a second and go into centers and edges. I promise you. But my thing is, I'm gonna preface this centers and edges. Just the jokes writing themselves. Yeah, the jokes are writing themselves. But hey, my point is listen, do whatever the fuck you want. I just don't think anybody should ever like if he is got if he got in his investigation, they have the NFL, they go investigate his phone, they tap in, they do his thing, his emails. If the New England Patriots got a competitive advantage from Mike Vrabel, slinging dick and Diana Rossini, he should be suspended, or the New England Patriots should face players. It cannot be like, oh whatever. No, it's not, oh whatever. This is a serious fucking league. They're trying to be like, oh, we're gonna play games in Brazil. How about we focus on what's going on in the fucking United States first before we venture out to Brazil? We got a coach dicking down a reporter, and the reporter suddenly AJ Brown's sitting there, well, I'm going to the Rams. No, I'm not. Oh shit. Diana reported this. I wonder what she knows. Oh, also, Diana Roussini saying NFL teams didn't hire Mike Vrabel because they were scared of how big he was.

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What?

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Yeah, that was the thing.

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Did she even get the job?

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No, like he she literally said last year, I think when he was in a bunch of interviews last year, I guess across the whatever NFL hiring cycle, he didn't get hired. Because he got fired by the Titans last year, and then he didn't get hired. And she comes out, and I saw this clip, and I was like, this is the most diabolical shit I've ever heard. She said that teams were quote afraid of how big Mike Vrabel was, so they didn't hire him.

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Like metaphorically?

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Yes, no, literally. Literally afraid of the size of Mike Vrabel, and they that found that intimidating and they didn't hire him. I wonder who gave her that fucking nugget. Leave it to fucking big Mike over there. With not the fucking one in Pittsburgh, the one in New England. Leave it to the other Mike to be like, oh yeah, their team didn't hire me because I'm too fucking big and too fucking strong. What a fucking tooch thing. Gave her the other Mike. Oh, the other Mike's got him covered. So then hey man. Yeah, there's a lot of other things. I do think bigger. I talk a lot of shit about Mike McCarthy. Mr. McCarthy, I will say, I don't think you're the type of guy to be slinging dick in Diana Rossini. She would have been dead by now. So you would have crushed her. You would have crushed her. You know what, Big Mike? You're loyal man. Loyal man. Loyal to just fucking stupidity and bad play calling. All right, fellas. How do we forget about the Waffles menu? All right, fellas, let's go into it. Okay, so we're gonna be talking about edges. We're gonna be talking about centers. I think we're gonna start off with centers first. I'm not gonna go into the nitty-gritty of it. I got three for you. I got Jake Slaughter, Sam Hecht, and Logan Jones. We're gonna go through them one by one. Here we go. So first up, we got Mr. Jake Slaughter. Jake Slaughter is a do-your-job blocker in a world probably obsessed right now with 40-yard dash times. Brugler describes him as someone who consistently does his job using controlled movements. That's probably the highest compliment you can get as a center that you just do your job and that's it because that's honestly what you want. You don't want any flash, you don't want anything else, you just want the guy not to fuck up and just do his job. My question for you guys is it worth spending like right now, I've got him rated as like a maybe a late second, but definitely like a third to fourth round guy. Is it worth spending a pick in the third to fourth round on a guy that just does his job? And is this the personality that you think fits centers the best? Like the calm, mellow, just do your job, head down, go about your business.

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Yeah, I think so. But the problem with centers is like with him, he's only played center. So if it doesn't work out, it's center. Like you look at what we just talked about, we've talked about guards and tackles, the versatility they can play either side. They can some of them can take snaps at center. These guys that play center, he tried to play uh he did guard drills in the combine and he was not good. So he's a center, and if he doesn't work out, well, what do you do with him?

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Yeah, if you take him in the third or fourth round, though he's a good character guy. The scouts say his presence changes the temperature in the room. He's a 43-year-old in a 23-year-old body, and you see the way he plays too. He's the captain of the line, he's got a good anchor, moves well, and yeah, it's just a good team guy. Started 28 straight games to finish his career, very durable, and he didn't take a lot of penalties either. So definitely if it's a later round pick, but I don't know. Second round pick's kind of a reach for this guy.

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Yeah, I think that's a positional thing, too. I feel like he will be probably the first center off the board, depending on which team needs a center at that point. He comes from a family of uh comes from some family history of offensive linemen. His father Jack also played interior offensive line, both guard and center at Tennessee Martin. And then his mother graduated from Florida, so it's nice that he was able to go to Florida as well. There's not much critiquing him in terms of what he could do better. There's he's got average athletic traits. He's better in a phone booth than in space. I think that is if you put him on guard, maybe a little worrisome. But at center, I think that should be fine. I don't think there should be. If you put him in the right line, he should be okay. He can get rocked back when he meets some long-armed extensions. He can get pushed around a bit.

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Yeah, that's one of the things with getting knocked back, is when he snaps the ball, he gets up to, he pops right up. He needs to learn to stay lower a little bit, so he gets that center of gravity lower a little bit. Otherwise, yeah, he just he stands up, and then you're if guy gets his arms inside you, he's pushing you back.

SPEAKER_04 20:41

That's just natural too for his size. You almost he's what 6'4, he's almost 6'5. So it's probably just he's used to playing at that height. So he's got the best name.

SPEAKER_03 20:52

He's got the best name though. He takes a lot of I don't think a lot of false starts, probably from jumping too early. But if it's a team Niva, if you have older center, you're gonna take him a little higher second, third round.

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Do you think there's a black center out there in the NFL?

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Yeah.

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Who? Yeah, is there not? Who's a black center? I don't think there's a black center in the NFL.

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Yeah, I'm trying to think of every center I'm thinking of right now.

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It's just a big white bully. I can't think of anyone.

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But there has to be.

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In history, yeah.

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There's been like there's gotta be someone, but yeah, I'm I'm blanking. Because every every center I'm thinking of right now is yeah, white. Let me look at the positions here.

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Yeah, I don't think there is. NFL centers and player rosters.

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Looking at all these guys for on the drop, they're all fucking white too. I was gonna say that too.

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I don't yeah, I don't think.

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Looking at the V's top ten.

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Maybe they'll all retired.

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Cause Zach Frazier is in Pittsburgh, but he's white. He's white. Yeah, yeah, he's white. Yeah, I don't see, I don't think there is one right now.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Man, it's kind of like is it corners or safety? Corners. Cooper DeGene was like the first one. He was a trailblazer. He was a trailblazer. To get drafted in the first round.

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So we'll do an off-season episode of why that is. Why is there such a talent discrepancy with not a talent discrepancy? Why is such a race discrepancy in certain positions?

SPEAKER_03 22:18

There used to be. I mean, it's like running backs.

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Wow.

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You got C Mac and then that's it. You got C Mac and that's it. And then you also have like quarterbacks are predominantly white. And like you're starting to see more.

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Quarterbacks are like half and half now almost now. Yeah, but like it's didn't used to be like that. Didn't used to be like that. No.

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Well, so like I think set and like this thought came into my head. Centers are mainly like I don't see many crazy fucking centers in terms of their personality and their demeanor. What position would you want an absolute psychopath playing? Like on your team. If you had to pick a position where you could pick the guy who has like this guy is a certified psychopath. I want him to play this position. A linebacker.

SPEAKER_04 22:59

Inside linebacker. Definitely, yeah, something on the D. Maybe defensive carrier, defensive tackle, even edge, defensive tackle. Edge would be good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

Defensive tackle if you got like a big fat fuck, like just a beast of a man. That just Vince Wolf. Vince Wilk for it.

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Like you want a guy like slamming his helmet after he plays, like just that's a linebacker. That's a linebacker defenseman. Yeah, like you almost want him to be a good one.

SPEAKER_03 23:23

Linebackers because they run all over the field. They just come at you.

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You want to see some guy kill, like just out for blood. Yeah. I was thinking about that because I'm like, normally people view that as like a negative trait. If your wide receiver is going nuts on the sidelines, that's the Steelers' way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

But wide receiver, you need them in the zone, in a different zone. Whereas on defense, you want a little bit of the cray zone. You want them going a little bit of the cray.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

No, that's fair. That's fair. Moving back on to centers, Phil. Sam Hecht from Kansas State. Listen, Sam Hecht was an undersized walk-on at Kansas State who never played center until recently. He ends his career with zero sacks allowed, zero penalties in two full seasons, perfect record. Is there anything that you guys say for the center position that maybe he missed out on in terms of he didn't play growing up or he only at came on as a walk-on? Is there anything that he's missing that he may have gained playing earlier that you think teams are going to look at and be like, okay, maybe we don't take this guy because he was a walk-on? Because I feel like his stat line from the moment he started playing is very fucking solid. And I don't see him dropping two off of Jake Slaughter.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

I don't think so, because like you said with walk-on, man, walk-ons, you gotta work harder because you're not guaranteed anything, you're not on scholarship. So they can tell you to pack your bags and fucking and leave whenever they want. So it's the guys that walk on because you're trying to get scholarship. So you got to put in the work and you got to put in the work more than anyone else because you want to get notice. So if you're just doing the same shit that someone on scholarship is doing, they're not gonna pay attention. But you got to be outplaying the guys on scholarship to earn that scholarship.

SPEAKER_04 24:59

Yeah. I mean, you could say the same argument, like we said, about slaughter. He played 99% of called snaps just at center. So maybe if he started a little earlier in his career, he could have moved around the line a little bit more and then gained some more on field experience. But this guy's pretty solid.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

Played 25 straight games, zero penalties.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

That it's the thing is, I think there's a lot of things that you can coach. If it he goes into a system where there's already a reputable lineman coach, I think you can coach a lot of great things into Sam Heck. Just because he's he's not physically raw, but he's probably very mentally raw because he doesn't have those little tricks of the trade or things like that he can rely on. So I think if you do take a flyer on him, it will probably be a one to two year progress window for him. I don't know if he can go into NFL snaps right away, but eventually with the right coaching, I think he'll get there.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Gaining 50 pounds on college is crazy, though. If he weighs at 303 now, that means he was playing a lot playing as a center at 250. So that's very undersized for center.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

You get asked to put on 50. Okay, let's just say you're like 6'4. Let's say you're the same, 6'4, 250, and you have to you're like, okay, fuck, I gotta play center. They ask you to put on some weight. How are we putting this on?

SPEAKER_00 26:22

I can't gain weight to save my life. Well, like when the wrong person to fucking ask, I'm still one of those people that have the butt on the top of it.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Give me, give me your give me your.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

It's that's it's like that fucking Simpsons episode when Homer's trying to gain weight so he can get on disability, and he's just wrapping everything in fucking butter. Just fucking if it you rub it against the wall, and if it fucking but he's putting on 50 pounds of good weight, nothing.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

But that's what I mean. Okay, okay. You're still putting in showing.

SPEAKER_04 26:52

Well, you could do that. You could talk to Big Mike and see what's the way.

SPEAKER_03 26:55

Yeah, but then you're 50 pounds of fat, not like a mixture, like muscle in there.

SPEAKER_02 27:00

Okay. Let me see what if I can find something here that can tell you, give you an idea. Okay, so this is a gaining weight regimen from the 49ers. Mind you, this is the 49ers. Their team does stay injured. Alright, so you get breakfast at 7 a.m., three large eggs. Alright, this seems pretty standard. Half a cup egg whites, one cup steel cut oatmeal, 12 almonds, one cup blueberries, and then orange juice, eight ounces. Then you get your mid-morning snack, chocolate and peanut butter gain smoothie, and then you get that at 9:30. And then you get lunch at 11:30, 6 ounce wild salmon, shredded mixed green salad, two cups avocado sliced, and chocolate milk. Then you get your afternoon snack of one and a half cups of cottage cheese, medium banana, 12 almonds. Then you get your six-ounce chicken breast, medium sweet potato, two cups of mixed vegetables, and then green juice, and then your bedtime snack, another smoothie at eight o'clock. That sounds more like a for gaining weight? That's for gaining weight like losing weight.

SPEAKER_03 28:07

Bro, I fucking I can fucking eat that and I won't get I won't gain a fucking pound. How do you eat that to lose weight?

SPEAKER_02 28:12

That's 5,000 calories, apparently, according to the 49ers. I can fucking eat that. That's yeah, I don't understand. I don't believe that is actually a thing. I need that kind of diet.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

I've never been able to put on weight.

SPEAKER_02 28:26

I don't know if that doesn't seem like too bad. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 28:30

Maybe I'm just maybe I'm fat, maybe I'm a fat man, but they I feel like if an offensive lineman had that diet plan, they'd just fuck off to the McDonald's. Like I was saying, man.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

No, it's uh Kaden, right? Was it Caden Proctor? I'm like, it's eat the 20 double Big Macs and the Kate Surprise.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

So I have a comparison. So this is five-star recruit from 2019. I don't know where he is now. Someone Google Paris Johnson Jr.

SPEAKER_04 28:57

Six foot seven behemoths Arizona Cardinals, I think.

SPEAKER_02 29:00

He is his so his diet was breakfast was protein shake, three turkey sausage and cheese English muffins. All right. Snack was a trail mix and grapes. Lunch was four turkey and cheese sandwiches on wheat bread. Snack was four peanuts. Four sandwiches.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

That's yeah, that's still better than four big mags.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

No, but his hey, keep listening, keep listening. His snack after lunch was four peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on wheat bread, an entire pineapple and more protein shakes. See, that sounds a little bit more realistic for gaining weight than that other and then dinner was one pound of either chicken or steak, two cups of green vegetables, and two cups of rice, potatoes, or pasta. Snack was a protein shake or popcorn after dinner. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:46

Yeah, see, that's how you gain weight. If you're like in cap and working out and all, that's still that still seems to me like a diet plan. Keg is still like four sandwiches and then four. But you're still at a field time. So you're like, you're not getting fat. Eight fucking sandwiches in three hours.

SPEAKER_02 30:02

Yeah, keggy, I think that's in a behemoth amount of time. That's like eight sandwiches in three hours, man. I'm looking at breakfast. I think that's cot that's how they got to be how big they are. They just keep eating sandwiches.

SPEAKER_03 30:15

I guess that's still better than going out and eating like 20 big 20 big Big Macs.

SPEAKER_02 30:19

There's two ways to get to 5,000 calories. You can either have a full meal like an offensive lineman, or you can have three Big Macs. You make your pick.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

If they were doing that, three Big Macs, five Big Macs, they wouldn't even be on the football field. Sure, they could.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

Look at that kid. Remember who was the Dolphins draft that one guy?

SPEAKER_03 30:36

They wouldn't be able to move. Oh man, it was McDonald's.

SPEAKER_02 30:38

No, but it was the no, it was the poor kid who like was too fat to move, and he last year. They drafted him last year.

SPEAKER_04 30:45

Oh, yeah, the town on Tampa Bay. Yeah, Tampa Bay did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

And they kept being like, dude, just lose some weight. And like his he just could not lose the weight. That is a Big Mac type of guy. That guy's probably stuffing back those calories.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

I think that's the new plan, like probably like 30 years ago, 40 years ago. It wasn't that kind of meal plan. It was more like McDonald's. Yeah, more like fast.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

We've come a long way from fucking guys having darts in between quarters and chucking slinging back some beers in between their quarters and stuff like that. We've come a long way from the Michael Urban days. It's been a good journey. Last center for us, fellas, and then we'll move on to the edges. We got Logan Jones, the Remington trophy winner. Logan was a four-year starter at Iowa. He won the trophy for the best center in college football. He gave up one sack over his junior and senior seasons combined. He also started as a 260-pound defensive tackle. He's now 6'3, 299. The biggest knock, his predecessor at Iowa was Tyler Linderbaum, who went 14th overall. This guy's projected to go third and fourth round. Listen, he's a better athlete than most centers, but he is definitely undersized and short-armed. And I think that is probably the biggest knock on him. He might be moved around to different positions, like a guard, for example. He might work out better there. A team can take a flyer on him. He was voted the best in college football. My personal thing is he's probably better off at a guard.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

Has he played guard though? Because he it looks here like it he enrolled as a defensive tackle. Yeah, he's never played. So he's another guy that gained about 50 pounds, and I think he needs to gain probably another 20 if he wants to play center. Iowa record for 700-pound squad.

SPEAKER_04 32:25

That's pretty strong.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

But he's quick in snap to stab. He's quick at getting 51 games in the last four seasons. That's huge. That's huge experience.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

No, he is a big boy.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

17 straight games without a penalty to finish his career. That's all these centers, man. None of these centers take penalties. That's huge.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

He is the fastest offensive lineman. Give like obviously he's undersized a bit, but he's definitely he's got like weird traits where I can see a team looking at him and being like, you know what? Look at all this extracurricular stuff he's got. He's so fast and like he does this really well. And the squatting. And so there's a lot of points about his game where you can sell this guy to your if you're a scout and you scouted this guy all year, he's easy to sell to your general manager, being like, hey, but look at this, look at that. And you can mask the fact that he's 6'3, 299.

SPEAKER_03 33:15

Yeah, but he can only play center.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Or do you move him back to defensive tackle? You send him back to defensive tackle. Yeah, you fucking suck as the center in the NFL. Yeah, we just won the fucking rimming.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

Hey, I just want to say we are selling that to the best center in college football.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

You suck at the center. Like, he didn't work out. Hey, what do you think about going back on the defensive side of the ball? If it doesn't work out the center, why not?

SPEAKER_02 33:40

Yeah, I've seen work, I've seen crazier things. It's fine. Yeah, no. Those were our centers, fellas. Shout out to the centers. Good times all around. Let's go into the edges. The edge class is packed. It's I've got 10. We're gonna try to go through them all. We're gonna start off with the man, the myth, the legend, number one prospect and the beast guide. Also, shout out Dane Bruegler for coming up with the guide. You can find that on The Athletic. I do want to give him credit. Also, don't want him to sue us. So shout out to Dane Brugler. If you want to write to us, by the way, KK will be giving love advice. Once we're back from Pittsburgh, we're gonna have a whole lot of spare time to talk about random shit. If you or your loved ones suffer from heartbreak, you suffer from maybe you're dating somebody and they're not really nice to you. Maybe you're having some sort of issues. KK, the love machine is don't pull a Diana. Don't pull a Diana, don't pull a Hina or Miss Diana. Don't pull Don't pull. There's a variety of things not to pull here. Just remember to pull out. What? That was sound advice. That was great. If you're not being treated well by your girlfriend or partner, I guess girlfriend. I guess you don't have to pull out if you're gay. Yeah, you don't have to pull out if you're gay. You can do whatever you want. But if your girlfriend is not being nice to you, make sure you're pulling out because you don't want to be baby trapped. It's not what you want to be. But yeah, Love Machine KK will be giving you unsolicited advice, whether you want it or not. So I hope you want it because you're emailing us. Email us at redzone blitzpodcast at gmail.com. Give us a shout. Give us a ring. A lot of people are asking when merch is coming. Listen, if you see us in Pittsburgh wearing our merch, mind your own fucking business. It's not for you. I'm joking. I'm joking. If you see us wearing merch in Pittsburgh, you see a group of just degenerates roaming the streets, you see some red zone blitz podcast merch. I assure you it will be coming. But if you see us in Pittsburgh wearing the merch, you could actually come up to us and we'll give you our merch that we're wearing. Here, to tell you that. We'll give you we'll give it to you. There's your challenge. Watch this actually happen. I'm fucking we lose all four. It will be hoodies.

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Should we bring the first ones that are misprinted to handout? Yeah, so see if anyone noticed.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

We tried to print it. See if anyone noticed. This was in the peak of Super Bowl season, and our supplier sent us our hoodies, and it said the red zone blitz poo cast, because the D looked like an O. And uh didn't look like an O. It was an O.

SPEAKER_03 36:18

Those ones are probably gonna be accepted by the homeless. No, we're not gonna give it to the homeless.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

No straight to Pittsburgh. No, we're not rewarding their shitty behavior by fucking giving them by giving them a hoodie that says poo cast. What if they're the ones that come up to you? I don't give a fuck.

SPEAKER_04 36:35

You're not gonna give your hoodie to a homeless guy. Come on.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

KK, I swear to God, if you give your hoodie to the homeless guy, don't come back on the podcast. Stay with the homeless guy.

SPEAKER_03 36:44

What if they're following us?

SPEAKER_02 36:46

I don't care if the guy pulls out a knife. This shit, your hoodie's red for a reason. You bleed through it. If you get stabbed, you bleed through it, KK. That's why we gave you the red hoodie. Also, we probably will not be going to LA anytime soon with our red hoodie, KK. It's just gonna that out there.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

You don't wear red or blue.

SPEAKER_02 37:06

Yeah. What's the neutral color?

SPEAKER_00 37:09

Black. Yeah, but then everyone thinks you're a Raiders fan.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

Yeah, I'd rather die than everybody think I'm actually.

SPEAKER_03 37:16

There's so many of them there. What's worse? Think people thinking you're a crip or a blood or a raid blue? Well, you think you wear Rams blue?

SPEAKER_02 37:21

Nah, it's fucking disgusting. That's fucking even worse. Wait, why can you wear Rams blue but not like the other blue? What are your thoughts on the recent Rams blue? Crip blue, man. What what what the whole jerseys? No, no, not the jerseys. They came up with this new skit about Thursday. Friday? That was bad. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 37:40

This guy is fucking like elite content creator. It was good, but it could have been a lot better. I can't okay. I saw that. First of all, there was no miss Parker in there. I saw that. Or Mrs. Parker. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

Who's the miss now? Was she your teacher? Was she your teacher in school, KK? Have you seen her in the movie? I have. What are your thoughts? Why do you hold back? Let the people know. Yeah, no. Okay, first of all, how the fuck? Whether she's misses. Hold on. How are people supposed to know what's going on in your brain when you just go, have you seen her in the movie? And then you just pause and smile.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

If you watch that, it's all Friday, right? No, but now it's Thursday.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

Explain what about Mrs. Parker? What about we people want to hear Mrs. Okay? What about Mrs. Parker? What about her?

SPEAKER_03 38:25

She's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_02 38:30

Like use some adjective.

SPEAKER_03 38:34

Dogdam?

SPEAKER_02 38:35

No, we're not it. We're not a video podcast. People can't go by your facial expression. Kegan just goes, but have you seen Mrs. Parker in the movie? And he just smiled at me. And I'm like, okay, Ann, keep going. Tell it to the mic. So she's gorgeous, people. But yeah, to Brandon's point, I can just imagine millions of dollars being spent on this fucking ad. Hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent on his ass.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

And guys like K-Ice Cube is pissed off. Yeah. Because it's something we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 39:02

And then guys like KK are just like, yeah, but where's Mrs. Fucking Parker? This fucking bullshit.

SPEAKER_03 39:06

All I care about. All I care about Miss Diana could have been in, or Miss Roussini could have been in that video.

SPEAKER_02 39:14

Do you think she's hot enough? Do you think she's hotter than Mrs. Parker in her prime?

SPEAKER_04 39:18

Honestly, if she was in that video, she probably wouldn't shut the fuck up. And then it would be another issue. If it was a Patriots video, she was probably gonna be there.

SPEAKER_02 39:25

Dude, if I'm the Patriots though, if I'm actually the Patriots, if I'm Robert Kraft right now and I have an ounce of like brand stuff, or I'm a big brand, like right now is the time to sign Diana Rossini to be in your ad. Like right now. Like now is the time to be like if you're a brand right now, you should be a camera company or like a secure like ATT security. Make sure you're like, make sure you're secure. And then like it's Diana Rossini coming out with like security cameras or whatever. That could set up she'd probably want to get a lot of money because but like that could set her up.

SPEAKER_04 39:56

I would not do that for cheap.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

What would it be? Five million?

SPEAKER_04 39:59

I don't know. I don't know about it.

SPEAKER_02 40:00

One million, five million?

SPEAKER_03 40:01

She's out of a job, so maybe she might do it for free. She'll be hired by the Patriots and with Mike with Mike Vriebel in the building.

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Take it first of all. I just Googled a picture of Mrs. Parker, and the fact that only word out of your mouth was gorgeous when you could have used a variety of different adjectives to describe Mrs. Parker. There's a variety of things you could have said. Like the variety of things. Is that how she looks now? That is how that no, I don't know how she looks now. This is from 1995. That might be how she looks now. I better turn this off before KK starts getting harder on the KKK. KK just silent. Every time you guys know KK's silent, there's some sort of facial expression going on, just for our audio listeners. Fellas, let's how did we yes? Okay, back to Mr. Arvell Reese. Sorry, segueing back, segueing back. Fellas, I don't know there's much to say other than the fact that possibly one of the greatest athletes at the position played under Matt Patricia in Ohio State. Matt Patricia described him as a leader. He comes with probably the biggest upside. I would say right now, the only knock on him is he hasn't shown everything he's got. There's this unknown of could it get even better? But it will. But the stuff he's already shown has warranted him in the conversation, any other class to be a number one pick.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

Like the crazy thing is, so he's going in as an edge, and in the NFL, I think he's going to be used as an edge, very similar to how like Micah Parsons. That's his biggest comparison. Yeah. When you're getting compared to Micah Parsons, that's pretty fucking good. The guy is just pure raw strength, just a beast, just a bull. But like you said, you we don't know what his ceiling is because yeah, he's great off the edge, but he was used a lot as a spy. And he's classified as an outside linebacker. That's what I mean. That's what he said. That's why now they're saying he's gonna be he's gonna be an edge, but you don't know exactly what his true pass rush capabilities are.

SPEAKER_02 42:02

Because Micah Parsons was a linebacker going to the draft, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:06

The edge, but everyone's like you're too small, so you're gonna be the linebacker. And he said, Fucking watch me. Yeah, just because you look at traditional, you look at the edges, the defensive ends, they were big fuckers. And now you look at Micah Parsons, he doesn't look that big, but he is pure muscle, pure strength. Because I think the cowboys are father.

SPEAKER_02 42:26

He lasted about one and a half quarters at linebacker, and Dan Quinn was like, Well, let's give this one a try, and then he never came back.

SPEAKER_00 42:33

And that's gonna be very similar to how Arvell Reese is because in zone coverage, he's not good. Yeah, so it's very similar to Micah Parsons in coverage. When you saw him try and cover like slot receivers, he uh fucking lost. Like he couldn't. That's not his game. His game is how do I get to the quarterback? And that's all I want to do.

SPEAKER_04 42:52

All I want to do is who cares? So I think he's so good at off the case. But that's what that's what I mean. Just let me do that.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

The one thing I will say, the one caveat, and I guess Brandon, you and I saw this. You saw like elite Micah Parsons, like when he started out. Like that first year, you actually had no fucking idea how to cover him because you were like, What the fuck is this? To your point. Traditionally, defensive edges have been big, they've been big, hulky guys. We're gonna talk about some of them, and then in came this young, like little smaller guy, but he was so fast, he's so powerful that it overpowered some of those tackles. And you saw teams start to game plan for Micah Parsons, and you saw them game plan in a way that like they were able to not completely stop him, but they were able to mitigate him. I think the Cowboys, for all their faults last year, Iberflus, he fucking domestically terrorized me for 10 fucking months. But the one thing he did against that Packers game was they were able to not completely stop him. He still got his hands in or whatever, but they were able to neutralize him on the offensive line, which uh or sorry, why am I giving Iberflus fucking credit? Fuck Iberflus, the offensive line coach, I forget his name now, but uh Clayton Adams, offensive coordinator. Former alliance coach. Clayton Adams, sorry. Fuck Iber Fleuse. I almost accidentally gave him credit for a good thing. Never mind. Iber Fleuse, you still sucked. But Clayton Adams, they were able to neutralize Micah Parsons to a point where he wasn't as dominant. Do you think that Arvell Reese coming in behind Micah Parsons now in a league where there are teams now that understand how to combat or mitigate someone out of that build is a hindrance to him? And do you think like the team that picks him is going to have to pick him knowing that?

SPEAKER_04 44:31

I don't think so. The team that picks him is likely to be the Jets. It could be the Jets. So unfortunately for fucking Jets. But unfortunately for him, if it is the Jets, he's going to be like the only bright side of that defense. The problem with a bad team picking him.

SPEAKER_02 44:45

Yeah, but they're going to just key in on him. The problem with a bad team picking him is he's going to be on the field a lot. Yeah. Like a lot. And that's the issue. Like with all these defensive guys that are going to bad teams, it's like they're going to be on the field a lot. And when you're on the field a lot, your impact starts to dwindle game of game. And like you start to get like you're coming from Ohio State, where yeah, you're coming from one of the most dominant defenses of all time, and where you were off the field like that. Like you were there, you're out, you're there, you're out. But like now you're gonna have to play more snaps. You're gonna have to have those more like impact moments, and you're like, fuck again, again, like you're gonna go through that. So I think that isn't. I really hope the Jets don't take them for his sake. Yeah, and but then I but then our second guy, they're gonna take him. So I'm like, I really hope the Jets take nobody, they should be voided from taking somebody.

SPEAKER_00 45:31

Yeah, but that's also why we just talked about the tackles, and one of the biggest things with the now with the tackles is having the quick feet, yeah, because you've got to have the quick feet to match up with the edge of speed, or else they're getting around you.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Yeah, 100%. And I think you know what, he has complete upside, like he is the guy. Would you I'm gonna jump to number two first, actually, before I ask that. I'm gonna jump to number two, then I'll get you guys to pick your player. Number two, he's my guy. So he is my absolute like this. Is the guy that's him and Sonny Styles are my two guys that I'm like, these guys are absolutely insane. You talk about insanity, like when it comes to you want an insane monster hunting, David Bailey, Texas Tech, 6'4, 251. He's a one-year starter, led the FPS with 14 and a half sacks, unanimous all-American, Stanford transfer, Big 12 champion. Strengths, long, lean, shredded body, explosive athlete with first step burst, long strides, eats up cushions and create force with and creates force at contact that tests the blockers' breaks. Now, my biggest knock on him, I will save all the other knocks for you guys. My biggest knock on him is Texas Tech. The reason why is Texas Tech went out last year and they bought himself a defensive line. They went out and they got studs. And they may not look like studs right now because we may only talk about one guy, two guys, three guys, Jacob Rodriguez is of the world. We may not talk about all of them, but going into last year, they brought in a line that was star-studded in college football. And I think there is something to be said about his production in that defensive line where it's did he produce these numbers because he was surrounded by such great players? And will he be able to do that, like we said, on a bad team? Is he gonna be able to do that on the Cardinals? Like you saw that last year. Like, I think the Cardinals took Walter Nolan, who had a fantastic season in college, and then he was in the NFL. Of course, he had his great game against the Cowboys because why not? But he's been his rookie year, and that's not a knock on him to say like he was uh he's not a good player, he's not a good pick, but David Bailey has to go into the right system for him to be that impact player right away. And it's he like if he goes to the Jets or he goes to the Cardinals or even the Titans. Actually, I don't mind him on the Titans. Actually, Titans could be good for him. He could be good. Like, I think the Titans have that piece in the middle, Simmons, and they've got Robert Salah in there. I really hope he doesn't go to the Cardinals because I don't know what they'll be able to do with him. But for me, I think he is he's stolid. My question for you guys is are you gonna bet a top three pick on a guy who only showed you one year of production?

SPEAKER_00 48:13

As a pure pass rusher, I think he's the best edge in the class. Now, you mentioned his first step burst, I'm gonna add it. Two steps watch his tape, watch his first two steps, and then pause it. Look at how far and how deep in the backfield he is. So you mentioned 14 and a half sacks. You also got to mention the 19 and a half tackles for loss. This guy lives in the opposing team's backfield. And again, watch any tape, first two steps, and see how far deep into the opposing team's backfield. Like he's deeper into the backfield than the quarterback is dropping back. Like, he just causes chaos in the backfield. So as a pure pass rusher, I think he's the best in the class. Yeah, he is.

SPEAKER_02 49:05

What the hell is going on in there? Like, what the hell is going on with Mrs. Parker? He's just Googling and talking.

SPEAKER_00 49:11

Mrs. Parker is staring at the fucking picture.

SPEAKER_02 49:21

Mrs. Parker Lions jersey. Mrs. Parker returned 2025. Mrs.

SPEAKER_03 49:26

Parker, what you look like, there isn't supposedly a new Friday coming out.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

I'm sure you're gonna go and watch it and say, This fucking sucks.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

And where's Mrs. Parker? Last Friday.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

They're gonna make it woke. It's gonna be Mrs. Kim.

SPEAKER_03 49:39

You guys are putting a little too much pressure on these guys as Arizona takes them, all that. You gotta realize they're not gonna be your defensive player of the year right off the bat. It's gonna be a little growing thing.

SPEAKER_02 49:50

Yes, and no.

SPEAKER_03 49:51

It's a different game from college to the NFL.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

It is, but I think like when you go to play, you play this position, especially, you take some hits and you take and you end up like this guy's not gonna go, and I'm not saying he's gonna go into Arizona thinking, okay, I'm going to Arizona, like I'm gonna mail it in a year. He's gonna go 100%. If you're going 100% all the time and you're always on the field, you're more likely to get injured. I hate to be that guy. I'm knocking on wood for you, Mr. Bailey. I hate to be that guy to be like, okay, he's gonna get injured, but you're more likely that's a knock more on the coaching staff of like putting these guys in, taking the reps in too much. It's the lock on the it's a knock on the system.

SPEAKER_03 50:30

The problem is you're right.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

If he goes to a team like Tennessee, already has you need him to go to a place where there's a defensive tackle already there.

SPEAKER_04 50:38

But so the Cardinals might be good because they already have Nolan.

SPEAKER_02 50:41

Yeah, they do. Sorry, yes, they do have Nolan, who's the and but the thing is they'll have they're gonna have to figure out their identity, like they're gonna have a new coach, they got a quarterback that doesn't want to play for them. We'll talk about that down the road. But yeah, they're gonna have to figure out their identity, and I think that is one of the things that they're gonna look at is David Bailey on the board versus trading down, which everybody thinks the Cardinals are gonna do. But my question to you is you're the Jets, and let's say trade down is not an option. Knowing what you know, one pick to make, what is it, a minute and 30 seconds to think about it? Who are you going with?

SPEAKER_04 51:18

Arvell Reese, no question. I would go Arvo Reese, yeah. I think he I agree with Brandon saying that off the edge, David Bailey is great with his speed, but I think with a little more time, like Arvo Reese is almost there with Bailey in terms of speed, but when he actually gets to the point of attack and hits the QB, Arvo Reese is like an insane tackler. Like he with Bailey, like I watch a bit of the tape and I feel like sometimes the QB or the running back, whoever has the ball in the backfield, could slip away from him, and that's where I think he benefited from having Romelo Height and those other guys like Jacob Rodriguez at Texas Tech. I think Reese, if he was on the Jets without any support, would be better than Bailey.

SPEAKER_03 52:03

It's because Reese has that versatility, yeah, head rusher, linebacker. You can put up more of a chess piece, I think.

SPEAKER_02 52:10

Yeah, he's a little bit more of a chess piece. I do think, and a lot of people are gonna say, Oh my god, again, not you guys again. I don't think the cowboys are actually gonna trade up. The more I'm like thinking and reading about it, I don't think I think the price is too high to go up and get this guy because there's a lot of mocks now coming out of like cowboys trading down back, like accumulating picks, like we initially talked about in our initial conversations. But if the cowboys were to go up and get at number three and you had the choice of Arvell Reese or David Bailey, I think that's gold right there.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

You're gonna have to give up a lot to get one of those picks. I haven't seen anywhere we trade up for three.

SPEAKER_02 52:45

Oh no, it's today, just came out. They trade up for three, and I think it was like two firsts and like another piece.

SPEAKER_00 52:51

And they and then that mock did they pick Bailey? Yeah, they made Ray. I don't think so. I don't see that at all. We don't fucking trade up to begin with.

SPEAKER_02 53:00

That's my theory of like why they probably aren't gonna trade at all. I think teams are just creating like random buzz.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Like, I could see that one that came out with us trading the Cleveland at six. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 53:10

I could see that they would get that does make sense, but that means 39. That almost makes too much sense for the Cleveland Browns. Like, I don't think they're a sensible organization to fucking understand. It would make sense for them if they were functionally.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

We don't trade up, but this year could be the year that we do trade up, but it won't be for the third. Yeah. And if you're in Arizona, why would you want to trade out of the third spot? I think he needs so much fucking Arizona. One guy's not gonna fucking do anything.

SPEAKER_02 53:34

No, but if you're if you're in Arizona and you could trade out and you go to 12 and you can take Ty Simpson and then you get another pick at 20. That's better than that's a reach for Simpson. No, other way around.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

I'd say I'd take someone at 12 and then Ty Simpson at 20.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

The thing is, you guys are giving these guys too much credit. These teams don't know what the you there's a reason why.

SPEAKER_00 53:55

There's a reason they can pick millions of dollars to actually make the pick. No, and we're sitting here fucking Friday night talking shit.

SPEAKER_02 54:01

No, but there's a reason why they're fucking dead last. Do you guys think that the Browns and the Cardinals use Loveless?

SPEAKER_03 54:07

The way you're going, it seems like the Jets are the ones that are gonna be like long on. No, but it's second overall.

SPEAKER_02 54:13

It just makes every year we go and okay. Last year, the like the Chicago Bears, right now. If you went back in the draft and they took Loveland, if you were to do that mock again, would you not be like, dude?

SPEAKER_04 54:25

They picked him like ninth.

SPEAKER_02 54:27

You would be like, dude, Warren's like right there. Yeah, like why don't you trade down? Get Warren or pick Warren. So teams will do goofy shit all the fucking time. Daniel Jones got drafted like what fifth overall, fourth overall. Mac yeah, the big walk by Mac Jones to fucking this big oversized suit. So like teams do this shit all the time. But my thing is other teams can fuck have their rare fuck up, and cool. Like every team is bound to pick the wrong player. But there's some teams out there, I don't care the fucking Jets employ their like scouts of millions of dollars, they should be fucking fired.

SPEAKER_03 55:00

How many of those teams like Cleveland, the Jets, they're always in the bar. Arizona, how many of them want to actually deal with the Cowboys and Jerry Jones and trading?

SPEAKER_02 55:08

I don't think I don't think it's a deal thing. I think you're if you're at the end, like all these guys are buddies. All these guys are drinking, they're blue labeled, shitting on each other, showing their dicks off, being like, I got a bigger yacht than you, blah, blah, blah. I got this, I got that. They're like, they're in a pissing contest when you're a billionaire. It's not the fact that they want to deal with them. I think if they can rip off Jerry and let's say they go out and they take 12, and then the guy they take at 20 is a better player than fucking David Bailey. Oh my god, the headlines write themselves. Every owner's meeting, they could get to shit on Jerry. It's not so much do they want to deal with Jerry? I don't think Jerry's a hard person to deal with. I don't even think he's on the fucking phone, actually. I think it's Steven that gets on the phone and starts talking to guys. I think there's a theme with all these teams that are in the bottom. The Jets, the fucking Raiders, the what are they? The Cardinals, the Browns. How come there's these same five, six clusterfucks that are always in the fucking bottom of the league? It's gonna make four fucking decisions. So yeah, they're probably gonna make a one of these teams will make a dumb decision. I can put money on the fact that one of them are gonna pick a picking the wrong guy. They're gonna pick somebody that we're gonna be like, what? What now? They'll like Arizona picking Freeling instead of Magoa. Like Galaxy bringing it. They 100%, I guarantee you, some wild shit's gonna happen. You're gonna see a team be like, you're gonna be like, what the fuck did they just fucking pick?

SPEAKER_00 56:26

It's every dropped it happens. It happens every drop.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

But uh moving on, fellas. We got uh number three, Mr. Ruben Bain. Ruben Bain, you know what? He has started quite a debate. The Ruben Bain short arm debate refuses to go away. He led the FBS in hurries, the stat that best predicts NFL pass rush success. 54 last year. Short arms are the most debated combined measurement in the NFL. Multiple first round pass rushers with short arms, Chris Jones, Miles Garrett have been dominant. At what point does short arms stop being a reason to lower someone's grade when the production numbers tell a completely different story?

SPEAKER_00 57:00

Yeah, that's what he means. That's exactly it. Look at his production the 15 and a half tackles for loss this season, nine and a half sacks. There's another guy that's just a ball of energy. He's just fucking chaos in the backfield and short arms. So he still overpowers everyone. Like, what does it matter if he has short arms if he's overpowering you and pushing you back? And same thing, if you try and put a tight end on him, good fucking luck. He's dominating that. Like that it gets to the point where someone is so good that you have to find something to talk about. Because that's literally all when they talk negative about Ruben Bain, aside from the recent uh careless driving shit that's come up. All they've been talking about short arms, short arms, but that's it. Maybe he could work on his tackling a little bit more, but again, he's all he lives in the opposing team's backfield, he just causes chaos, even if he's not getting to the quarterback. Yeah, he's not making the quarterback comfortable.

SPEAKER_04 57:55

Yeah, everyone they're saying like he has a pear-shaped body and short arms, but he uses his size well, he's got a great swim move, he can get down dip under around centers, he has the speed off the edge that you like. Yeah, I agree. His tackling at some times is a little bit poor, and stamina could be an issue. But like I said before, coached up by Jason Taylor really helped him. Miami alongside Messador. And if he does falter and drop to a team like Kansas City, he's gonna make one of those teams.

SPEAKER_02 58:28

He's gonna make one of those teams very happy. He's gonna either he anywhere he goes, he was projected to go top three at one point. If he doesn't go top five, you're basically a steal. Yeah, there's five players in this draft that I will rate higher than him, and they are according to fucking obviously the team's needs, but Mendoza being one, and then you get I and you guys voted on Reese, Bailey, Sonny Styles, and Jeremiah Love. Yeah, that's it. I don't think there's a better player than Ruben Bain in this draft. He goes outside of five, it's a steal. So one one team outside the top five is gonna be very happy. They lost some games late December, January, and they ended up with Ruben Bain. Now, fellas, moving on. Keldrick Falk, Auburn. Falk entered 2025 with a high first round grade from NFL Scouts. Neither his production nor impact matched those expectations. He still went all SEC. Ruger has him at 15. The character is elite, team captain, donated all of his NIL to teammates, praised universally. Fellas, do you take any hindrance in the fact that he went into the season with such a high grade and then he ended up not following through on it?

SPEAKER_00 59:40

I don't know. Like he he's one of the polarizing guys because he has all the right traits, he's got the right size, he's a he's a 6'6, 275 pounds, he's got the arms, he's got all the tools in the chest. It's just yeah, the execution just wasn't there. But if you watch the tape, okay, you look at the stat lines and the box scores, and it doesn't show up. But if you watch everything, like he is like a split second away from filling up the box score and the stat lines. If you watch it, he's missing a huge play by a split second. And that's just time that could be a timing issue. Timing, yeah, but step too slow. He is one of the younger guys, right? Like he he's only three-year junior. He played as a true freshman, so he's still young. Where we've looked at some of the guys, some of the guys that we've been looking at, not just on the edges, but some of the guys are in the 23, 24, 20. He's only 21. Yeah, well, there's still the ceiling, the upside is all there, and he's got all the tools, he's got the traits. So someone's gonna take the flyer on him.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:43

It's a cautious thing, though, too, because you're right, he has the size, he has the technique, strong hands. But like the guys we talked about previously, it could just be mentally, right? The reason why he's not making these plays, and it's almost making the sack, almost getting the tackle for loss, is because he just maybe it's coaching. Auburn's a pretty good program, and they coach their guys well, but and you have to in the SEC, but maybe it's just mentally, like he's just gotta focus more, he's gotta want it more, he's got to bring more intensity into his game. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:16

I'm gonna quickly wrap on Falk and we're gonna move it on because we're tight on time, tight on time. We want to get make sure we get the second episode recorded today. Now, the only thing I'll say about Falk is when you go into a season rated as highly as he was, and we see this all the time in the NFL, teams start game planning for you a little bit differently. Teams start to put their tackles in different positions, they try to negate you. When you when you play on a team like Auburn that's not as maybe dominant as a Texas Tech, for example, when it comes to defensive line, it's easier to neutralize one guy. It's easier to make sure one guy isn't as dominant. I think Keldrick Falk, he's gonna fall. He's gonna go down to a team that is going to be already having probably some pieces on the defensive line. He's gonna be pretty good. I think he's actually gonna be pretty good, like wherever he goes in the middle of the first round. So I've got high praise for Keldrick Falk, depending on the situation. He obviously lands in. Now, fellas, we talked about a young edge rusher. Let's talk about probably the oldest one, uh Keem Mesador, fellow Nading kid. He grew up in Ottawa, he almost quit football at 16. He was told to uh keep playing by his coach. So I know our my one of my idols and all this whole thing. The reason why I started this podcast Brian Broadis. Brian Brottis uh hates Akeem Mesador because he thinks he's too old and he doesn't trust old players, when especially in this position, and Botch Lobardi coincidedly disagrees. He says he's fucking 25, but he's a dominant 25. Fellas, does his age matter?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

We've talked about this a little bit just because he is 25, so when you're drafting, you're expecting him to be a starter right away entering his prime. So you're expecting your expectations out of him are higher than what it would than what it would be out of a 21-year-old, 22-year-old because he's already 25. Because that's when you're really supposed to be entering the prime years of your career. But he's another guy like he was on the opposite side of Ruben Bain, and they just cause chaos. Yep. So maybe he is a maybe he is a Robin. That's not really a knock on him, but it just he's not maybe he's not the driver. Yeah, maybe he's a driver of it. There, there's definitely a spot and a place for him.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:29

Yeah, with his age and experience at the position and like the program he was in, I don't think it's bad. This guy was really aggressive, got to the ball carrier pretty fast. He's gonna be he's if he goes late in the first round, he's gonna be a good addition for any team.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:46

Oh, I think he's going ahead. I think he's gonna further than like earlier. If he I think he's better, that's gonna be uh I think he's going, I think he's going top 15. Top 15. Yeah, I don't think so. I think so.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:57

I think they're he could be one of those teams where you said earlier we'll just pick the wrong guy.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:01

I don't know about the thing is the bung. It's hard. He's gotten a lot of his interviewing and his combine testing, and there's a lot of like good teams are seeing out of him that I just think that especially everybody's obsessed with finding the next Micah Parsons, the next Miles Garrett, the next TJ Watt. Everybody's obsessed with it, every team's obsessed with it. So you're seeing a lot of these guys, and we're moving on to Malachi Lawrence, another guy. He's a guy that if you talk to me like maybe two weeks ago, three weeks ago, you looked at Max two, three weeks ago. Nobody had this guy in like the top in the first round. He's starting to creep into the first round. Now, Malachi Lawrence played a UCF, it's not typically a program that's associated with first round edge rushers. He averaged 39.2 defensive snaps per game, and that's in a heavy rotation scheme. Like, I think the biggest knock on him is probably like when big offensive tackles drape him up, it's hard for him to get out of there. He is quick vertical takeoff, so he's got long arms, he's 6'4, 253. He's the 10th player in UCF history to reach 20 career sacks. He's also one of nine children. Shout out to him and his mom and daddy, they're getting busy. But fellas, is there a knock on him? Like, aside from his film, is there a knock on him the fact that he didn't go to a Texas Tech or an Ohio State or an Auburn or another school that's predominantly known for like big time edge rushers and he instead coming out of UCF?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:25

Yes and no. I like the loyalty because that's rare these days. All people, five years, so yeah, five years senior, all at UCF. Like that, you don't see that these days anymore. But yeah, I would like to see him play against a little bit more of the better competition. That's why everyone wants to play in the SEC. Big Ten's won the championships. Cool, you can talk about them all you want with winning championships. The top end of the Big Ten is great, the bottom end, eh. Whereas you look at like the SEC, that's why they always everyone wants to play SEC. Every week is a challenge. Diego Pavio when he went to Vanderbilt. He went to Vanderbilt strictly on the premise. I I want to play in the SEC. Yeah. So he went to the shittiest fucking school that used to be the doormat. Hey, we would love an invite Vanderbilt. Change our mind. Used to be the doormat, and that's what you said when Nick Saban said every SEC game's tough except for Vanderbilt.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:13

And then Vanderbilt fucking went in and Matthew just think Matthew's just thinking about girls that go to Vanderbilt and the freaking Broadway Street right now. He's getting his Mrs. Parker going right now. He's got his LL Langley just popping up.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:25

You'd like to see some of these guys play a little bit more of the bigger competition, but I don't think it's a knock on him at all.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:30

Yeah, I think the knock on him, we said he has long arms, and he is a well considering I he doesn't really have the best speed. So when it comes into closing in on runners, he just reaches. So it's beneficial that he has the long arms, but he is a little bit more stiff. You would almost like to see him get coached up a little bit, moving lotteries side to side and working on a bit of his techniques. But he's got a high ceiling, he's got the size there.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

He's coming, man. I'm telling you right now, there is massive buzz.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:59

He's a skillful pass rusher, he's tough against the run. We play both sides of the ball.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:04

Usually, when there's a fucking buzz about a guy coming in like this, like you're like, okay, what the fuck is the deal? Some teams fall in love and like they're starting to talk to other teams about how much they love him. But he's coming in, he's coming in hot. Moving on, fellas, Cassius Howell. His story is similar to David Bailey's. So he actually, to your point, Brandon, he left the Mac program to Texas AM and led the SEC in Saxon one year. Bailey has a different trajectory, he is a little bit younger. He the school prestige can slightly change. Texas AM, do they have the greatest track record? Speaking from how do you define Texas AM fans? Give me your one really turn them off off this podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:44

I don't know if I can turn them off. Like they're crazy. Like Kyle Field, man. When Kyle Field is rocking, it's fucking rock.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:50

It's a lot nicer than I thought he was gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:52

But I thought he was gonna go like somewhere that yell, that yell shit is fucking gay as fuck. I was waiting for this shit is no like the middle. That shit's pretty good. Like, come on, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:06

Yeah, what's the difference? What's the difference? Why is why is Mr. David Bailey taking on such a massive trajectory towards top five, top six, top ten, and then you got Cassius Howell, who's sitting in like the mid-first round, slash second round?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:19

I think his numbers really aren't there. Three and a half tackles for loss this year, but he led the SEC in Zacks.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:26

That's crazy because like you said, we just talked about we just talked about guys you want them to play the bigger competition. He comes in, plays the bigger competition, and like in his third year, bowling green, 10 and a half sack, or sorry, nine and a half sacks. This year gets 11. The tackles for loss was 10 and a half up to 14 and a half. So yeah, he got better as he played as he played. Maybe his strength of schedule.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:49

I don't know. I think you make a good point. I mean, he it's hard to go.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:54

Well, that it is true, Texas AM schedule this year was a little bit on a bit harder than Bowen Gilly. But yeah, it's still a bigger schedule. You're still playing that CC schedule.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:03

I mean, his he's just for him, there's like things that can be coached. But if you can go up a level and go improve your game, I give him two check marks. I give him the two thumbs up. It's you went up a level, you increased the difficulty, and you increased your play. That will make a team pick them. They're gonna they're gonna pick them high because of that.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:24

But I don't you sorry, you could argue like there were so many superstars on Texas Tech's defense, so that Bailey had surpassed them in stats, where maybe AM's defense only was Howell.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:37

But isn't that what wouldn't you rather take the guy who was the foundation of the defense? I don't know. You're trying to buy no, you're trying to buy that. No, look, I get it. And listen, we're obviously talking up every single guy, and all yeah, these guys have weaknesses, and there's weaknesses in Howell's game, too. Like, he does have like inconsistent edge setting, he needs to work on his secondary moves. Like, he is going to go into like he's easy to run against. Teams can run against him, and so it's like at in the NFL level, you cannot surrender the edge when you're trying to escape a block. So there will be like there will be teams that will try to you might see guys go for big runs against him, his confidence gets shot, and now he's sitting on the bench.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:18

One of the things too it says his two his two shittiest games were the final two games of the season, so Texas and Miami. So when it showed when the games mattered the most, he didn't show up. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:27

I wonder if the teams that they were playing against would run towards him because you got David Bailey coming from the other side. No, he's on AM. No, a different oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:40

Yeah, yeah. This guy's on AM.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:42

Oh, different Texas. Yes, yes, my bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:45

Yeah, don't you just 20 teams in Texas, man? KK's still thinking about Mrs. Parker. KK still got a heart on for Mrs. Parker. He can't just getting his Texas all mixed up. So where do you think this I think it's gonna be a late first man? I feel like a team's yeah, I feel like a late first or second. I teams are gonna reach for certain positional needs the more they move on. And like, especially teams like that have multiple first round picks, I can see them going after the teams that are picked later that are like playoff contenders. Yeah, like I can see the Bills going after him. Like, yeah, I can see how picking him, like Seattle adding him to a defense that's already very good. So I can see that kind of stuff happening when it comes to when it comes to Cassius Howell. Last edge, fellas. I saved my favorite for last. My favorite sleeper, R. Mason Thomas. Yes, that is his name. Listen, R. Mason Thomas's father, Harvey, played with Emmett Smith. R Mason averaged two and 2.7 pressures per game. He's 6'2, 241 pounds, undersized. I'm a big fan of his film. He is an aggressive man, he is a little bit crazy, if that is to put it lightly. What do you guys have on him?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:53

You gotta watch how you talk about an Oklahoma sooner. You're giving him way too much fucking praise. That is true, actually. That is true. This is my favorite look at the fucking jerseys wearing.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:04

I did I did forget. I did forget that I did not read the school. I should uh preface that by saying he made some bad decisions in his life. Clearly, he didn't know which college to go to, but it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:16

But no, guys a beast, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:19

No, he's he is undersized. Uh and I think that's the theme now, but it's also that's where we're trending. So is he really undersized? Like we're trending towards a world in which the edge rusher is that Micah Parsons prototype and like the smaller edge rusher. So by that standard, he's not really undersized.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:38

As long as you're willing to put in the work, is man, once you hit the gym and they know like once you start getting into like specialized workouts and everything at the next level, yeah. The shit's all coachable, yeah. It's all trainable. As long as you put one, as long as you're willing to put in the work. Yeah, but those guys that are undersized, they bring the speed value to the game, and they also play with the chip on their shoulder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've been told you're undersized, you're small.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:01

Yeah, like he probably his biggest knock that I can think of that is different than obviously the obvious ones that are you can double them and take them out of the game, which is sometimes he's so giddy about trying to get after the quarterback that they can bait him against runs quite a bit. So they sometimes there are rush lanes that open up against him and he's unable to take them down. So that's the one kind of knock on him I can see.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:26

It's prone to jumping offside. Yeah, so a man those hard counts, yeah, like an Aaron Rodgers or Patrick Mahomes on a hard count.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:34

Yeah, young Aaron on the hard count in Pittsburgh. Beautiful thing, beautiful thing. All right, fellas. That's it for us. Until next time. Do you have any parting words? No. Alright. Until next time. A very sad goodbye today from KK. He's gonna go He's gonna go rub one L. He's gonna go rub one Lake. He'll be back, he'll be back. Until next time. This is G. Random. I'm Matt. I'm KK. Now we're out.